Drilling anyone?
- Thread starter kevindb880
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Got one 2ha block of grass that is 6" tall after 4 cuts last year, that will have to be topped as it cannot be grazed as it's now too long for the ewes... A frost will knacker it big time...
glasshouse
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400ac?? With no grain!!I'm more than happy to take a chance on (End Jan) until 10th Feb.
But how much further to chance it is going to be an interesting decision.
Worked OK here in 2013 when we turned every (End Jan) variety into (End Feb) - and then had 22 frosts in March.
edit :- as one of the Moulin generation, I know exactly how it feels to cut 400 acres of wheat with no grain in it.
Unfortunately, the HGCA don't seem to have bothered to spend any of the many thousands I've sent them over the years upon this problem, but a bit of work's been done in the US.
How Late Can You Seed Winter Wheat and Still Produce Grain?
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Is that how you got your name?
I grew 100 ac of that red wheat once, it looked fantastic but only had about 4 grains per ear
Yielded half a ton per acre
It was organic @ £300 ton so not a total disaster
glasshouse
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No just a 4m rigid
Next best thing is trailing an mf 30!!
yellow belly
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- south west lincolnshire
What seed rate drilling date combining date yield ect
Hindsight
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- Lincolnshire
I'm more than happy to take a chance on (End Jan) until 10th Feb.
But how much further to chance it is going to be an interesting decision.
Worked OK here in 2013 when we turned every (End Jan) variety into (End Feb) - and then had 22 frosts in March.
edit :- as one of the Moulin generation, I know exactly how it feels to cut 400 acres of wheat with no grain in it.
Unfortunately, the HGCA don't seem to have bothered to spend any of the many thousands I've sent them over the years upon this problem, but a bit of work's been done in the US.
How Late Can You Seed Winter Wheat and Still Produce Grain?
I recall Moulin. I think you are being a tad harsh on HGCA. The recommended list has a latest safe sowing date listed from data supplied from breeders. Going beyond those dates is a risk, which one has to weigh up based on local circumstances at the time. Vernalisation is a complex and not totally understood phenomenon. The US work you quoted is no different the practice in UK and is again variety specific. Like most things with nature the variables are numerous as are the interactions. I am not sure what you think HGCA could do differently with your levy money to assist? The problem as you put it has good sound advice - the latest safe sowing date. Beyond that there is risk. But a risk which can be assessed and decided. So my view is to go an additional 14 days then have a think.
glasshouse
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Red spring wheat died a sudden death here, but nobody ever explained why it failed to fertilise and set grain
- Location
- Northumberlandia
roughly 200kg/ha i think
9th of April 2013
Yielded 2.8/2.9t/ac
was just a bit later to harvest kinda when spring oats would be
Ive got to do sum this spring
Not my call that one, fortunately - I just helped cut it.
No, that was a livestock enterprise - nothing to do with cropping.
Wouldn't have cost too much over the past 7 years since this problem last arose in 2012/13 to carry out cheap and simple trials with, say, three different WW varieties of different maturity characteristics at three widely different locations and at three different planting dates in the spring.
Would have provided enough good data to publish an interesting interactive risk mapping exercise with yields correlated with sowing dates/variety/ latitude/ height above sea level, etc.
No need to have gone public with either the results or with the advice until now when they are actually needed.
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glasshouse
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3mIs that 4m ? done well to pull it .
Its a one piece lid
I used to pull a 4m 23row mf30 with a ford 6610
Black smoke all day
yellow belly
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- south west lincolnshire
glasshouse
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- lothians
Way to go
Where is that ? France??
Yes the Auvergne Rhone Alpes
glasshouse
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- lothians
Yours?
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- Mid Lincolnshire,UK
Surprised seed getting covered as not removing the tracks. Pre-ems not going to work too well either in those clods.
Hindsight
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- Lincolnshire
Hindsight
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- Lincolnshire
Hi, but the data from breeders resulting in latest safe dates is just what you say.
I do not know but may ask if I come across any of the breeders how many trials they would need to give more definitive local information because to be any more specific than it is now I suspect requires quite a lot of sites. And then there would have to be a reasonable / considerable safety margin built into any advice as my observation is a farmer demands information, but then is soon to complain / claim if it goes wrong. And I cannot see any breeder or HGCA to have claims lined up based on ever speculative latest safe dates.
I have seen winter wheat not vernalise - and it just stayed as flag leaf. Was used to finish off a spring wheat heaadland.
Best wishes,
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