one for the MF die hards

Andrew · Jul 29, 2020

Farmer_Joe said:
its cheap bearings, imagine nh were prob 'shafted' on them but never the less there is still tonnes of them out there that just fail prematurely and do differing degrees of damage and expense when they go, depending on how early there caught. its a gamble i am just not willing to take, i can live with the possibility of a syncro on 3rd gear in a dyna 6 over 200bhhp (or twice if you pay lemon to fix it ) but catastrophic failure due to faulty bearings is worrying.

https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/t7-200-gearbox-problems.234512/

To be fair though thats probably pauper tractors, i.e over 10 years old which i could afford perhaps the new ones are better?

shame really as they do sound great and i believe the engines are good.

We brought a Dyna 6 thinking it would be reliable. It was delivered brand new with a fault code. “It’s just a sensor its fine”. 9hrs on the clock winched onto a low loader, we never saw it again.
Apparently they hadn’t put the holes in the oil galleries or something and it welded itself up solid.

Farmer_Joe · Jul 29, 2020

Andrew said:
We brought a Dyna 6 thinking it would be reliable. It was delivered brand new with a fault code. “It’s just a sensor its fine”. 9hrs on the clock winched onto a low loader, we never saw it again.
Apparently they hadn’t put the holes in the oil galleries or something and it welded itself up solid.

dont get me wrong nowts perfect, including the dyna 6, but the nh boxes seem like ticking time bombs, yours sounds more like a Friday afternoon model!

and to be fair when he posted it some one moments later said the same thing, bearing failure and in a different box

you heard of anyone else with the same issue as yours, strikes me as very unlucky rather than common fault.

Andrew · Jul 29, 2020

Farmer_Joe said:
dont get me wrong nowts perfect, including the dyna 6, but the nh boxes seem like ticking time bombs, yours sounds more like a Friday afternoon model!

and to be fair when he posted it some one moments later said the same thing, bearing failure and in a different box

you heard of anyone else with the same issue as yours, strikes me as very unlucky rather than common fault.

Not heard of anyone else, having said that I don’t really know of many MFs in this area, I can only think of about 3 in the area

Farmer_Joe · Jul 29, 2020

Andrew said:
Not heard of anyone else, having said that I don’t really know of many MFs in this area, I can only think of about 3 in the area

thats cos you run fastracks, another machine i wish had bought when they were "out of fashion" would like one but they fetch silly money (any could not really justify one) now its like people have only just realised how good they are!

nice 3200 would be a treat of anything post 2000

daveydiesel1 · Jul 29, 2020

Farmer_Joe said:
its cheap bearings, imagine nh were prob 'shafted' on them but never the less there is still tonnes of them out there that just fail prematurely and do differing degrees of damage and expense when they go, depending on how early there caught. its a gamble i am just not willing to take, i can live with the possibility of a syncro on 3rd gear in a dyna 6 over 200bhhp (or twice if you pay lemon to fix it ) but catastrophic failure due to faulty bearings is worrying.

https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/t7-200-gearbox-problems.234512/

if im not mistaken in the first 2 posts of it covers power command and range command, del boy says 13k of repairs

To be fair though thats probably pauper tractors, i.e over 10 years old which i could afford perhaps the new ones are better?

shame really as they do sound great and i believe the engines are good.

Makes interesting reading about the nh bearings failing.

Deerefarmer · Jul 29, 2020

daveydiesel1 said:
Does the massey give much more problems than the fendt?

Yes
Cab suspensions on mf is a money pit if you want it to work properly
Constant emissions issues
Just left us with a bad taste for MF
Before we even took the 8690 out to the first job it derated itself due to adblue issues
Second day on the job the pto solenoid fizzled
Transmission cooler is way undersized on dynaVT on all 7600 and 8600 series...( and they're kept clean) we've even added an extra rad to help keep trans from overheating.
We work the fendts by far harder any mf we've had and have never seen a vario over 180°f
Sorry if I sound color blind but a fendt is a well designed machine
Cost per hour to operate the fendt wins hands down

Cowabunga · Jul 29, 2020

Deerefarmer said:
Yes
Cab suspensions on mf is a money pit if you want it to work properly
Constant emissions issues
Just left us with a bad taste for MF
Before we even took the 8690 out to the first job it derated itself due to adblue issues
Second day on the job the pto solenoid fizzled
Transmission cooler is way undersized on dynaVT on all 7600 and 8600 series...( and they're kept clean) we've even added an extra rad to help keep trans from overheating.
We work the fendts by far harder any mf we've had and have never seen a vario over 180°f
Sorry if I sound color blind but a fendt is a well designed machine
Cost per hour to operate the fendt wins hands down

You do realise that the DynaVT is identical to the Fendt transmission and that the PTO solenoid is similarly identical and the full transaxle/hydraulic unit shipped fully assembled from Germany to wherever your tractor's final assembly plant, presumably Jackson, Minnesota.
I cannot comment on the cooling pack spec Jackson choose to install.

Deerefarmer · Jul 29, 2020

Cowabunga said:
You do realise that the DynaVT is identical to the Fendt transmission and that the PTO solenoid is similarly identical and the full transaxle/hydraulic unit shipped fully assembled from Germany to wherever your tractor's final assembly plant, presumably Jackson, Minnesota.
I cannot comment on the cooling pack spec Jackson choose to install.

Yes I am aware of all the above
The fully assembled transaxle is not the problem, it's what gets added at final assembly
As for cooling pack specs,we've had Jackson and Boovis assembled tractors and both have same cooling systems.
Each to his own, what I've posted reflects our company's opinion... I respect the fact that others views may differ

Finn farmer · Jul 30, 2020

Farmer_Joe said:
dont get me wrong nowts perfect, including the dyna 6, but the nh boxes seem like ticking time bombs, yours sounds more like a Friday afternoon model!

and to be fair when he posted it some one moments later said the same thing, bearing failure and in a different box

you heard of anyone else with the same issue as yours, strikes me as very unlucky rather than common fault.

Only viable transmission on Nh and Case tractors is the Ac/Cvx anyways, so the problem is easily sorted.

Andrew · Jul 30, 2020

Farmer_Joe said:
thats cos you run fastracks, another machine i wish had bought when they were "out of fashion" would like one but they fetch silly money (any could not really justify one) now its like people have only just realised how good they are!

nice 3200 would be a treat of anything post 2000

We were all JD before 2008, apart from some McCormick hires, when we brought a VT MF.
Fastracs only arrived in 2010, and we still have more JDs than anything else.

Tarw Coch · Jul 30, 2020

Finn farmer said:
Only viable transmission on Nh and Case tractors is the Ac/Cvx anyways, so the problem is easily sorted.

Main reason I got rid of the last fergy I bought was the gearbox, bought a case instead and much prefer it, not that it’s anything special, I’d rather have a dynashift but the only transmission I’d touch In a modern fergy is a vario

massey ferguson 7616 · Aug 10, 2020

Anyone had a demo or know when these tractors are going to be out and about?

daveydiesel1 · Aug 10, 2020

massey ferguson 7616 said:
Anyone had a demo or know when these tractors are going to be out and about?

Was told day after release that local dealer has 2 ordered but not expectin them much before december. Ther havin a launch night when they arrive so al deffo be goin to that

Lofty1984 · Aug 10, 2020

Don’t think they go into production until next month so I was told

Cowabunga · Aug 10, 2020

Lofty1984 said:
Don’t think they go into production until next month so I was told

After the Summer shut-down, when the factories will be revamped for the new products.

Speedstar · Aug 10, 2020

Lofty1984 said:
Don’t think they go into production until next month so I was told

There are some made already and have left the factory before they went on holiday

CrevisbigX · Aug 10, 2020

Unsure if true but heard the new vt are Massey own transmission and not fendt

Tomr10 · Aug 10, 2020

I know somebody that has seen them in the flesh but he does work for agco

Cowabunga · Aug 10, 2020

Tomr10 said:
I know somebody that has seen them in the flesh but he does work for agco

Probably didn't see much flesh either, unless he pulled at the same time.

Tomr10 · Aug 10, 2020

Cowabunga said:
Probably didn't see much flesh either, unless he pulled at the same time.

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