Is now a good time to get it ?
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I'd rather have a go at No Till than get covid.
Now , that's just being silly ..... there's no cure for no till .I'd rather have a go at No Till than get covid.
Goweresque
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Not really, latest research suggest the antibodies only last a few months. You'd lose the immunity around autumn, just as the winter wave kicks in...............ideally you'd get it late autumn, so you'd be OK when it all kicks off again over the winter. That's if you survive the first case of course........ 
It's all about T cells apparently , you can't store immunityNot really, latest research suggest the antibodies only last a few months. You'd lose the immunity around autumn, just as the winter wave kicks in...............ideally you'd get it late autumn, so you'd be OK when it all kicks off again over the winter. That's if you survive the first case of course........
Just avoid Stafford nightclubs...
ollie989898
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Not really, latest research suggest the antibodies only last a few months. You'd lose the immunity around autumn, just as the winter wave kicks in...............ideally you'd get it late autumn, so you'd be OK when it all kicks off again over the winter. That's if you survive the first case of course........
The antibodies are not produced constantly nor do they circulate forever. If they did, this would be problematic since a huge range of immunoglobulins are produced and a lot of them are highly specific to the pathogen in question. For example, the last cold you had, the antibodies you produced in response to that don't 'fit' the flu virus you had last year; both of these viruses have different shaped antigens and will not fit just any random antibody. Also the blood is a pretty busy place as it is without having several thousand types of antibody floating around in it 24/7 just in case you get last year's flu virus or something. You would expend a lot of energy and effort producing antibodies of all kinds for absolutely no benefit.
Instead, there are cells that 'remember' previous encounters with earlier pathogens and produce the required antibodies when or if they are encountered again.
The importance of the 90 day antibody theory is that if we are testing people now, given that we are many months since the initial infections probably happened, how many people who test negative when tested by immunoassay, are already 'resistant'??
You explained it perfectly .
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There is absolutely no evidence antibodies only last a few months. This is a totally new disease and little solid research Has been done. Even less ith patients who are genuinely been known to have, actually had Covid.Not really, latest research suggest the antibodies only last a few months. You'd lose the immunity around autumn, just as the winter wave kicks in...............ideally you'd get it late autumn, so you'd be OK when it all kicks off again over the winter. That's if you survive the first case of course........
article on BBC look east tonight about Covid long term issues interviewed a sufferer who apparently had no evidence at all that she had ever had Covid, but she is suffering long term
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Immunity to Covid-19 could be lost in months, UK study suggests
Exclusive: King’s College London team found steep drops in antibody levels three months after infection
www.theguardian.com
Goweresque
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Also Spanish research found exactly the same:
www.businessinsider.com
Coronavirus herd immunity may be 'unachievable' after study suggests antibodies disappear after weeks in some people
A study of more than 61,000 people in Spain found that just 5% had developed antibodies that could provide COVID-19 immunity.
www.businessinsider.com
Exfarmer
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This assumes those who tested positive actually had the disease many of these are now recognised to be false positives.Immunity to Covid-19 could be lost in months, UK study suggests
Exclusive: King’s College London team found steep drops in antibody levels three months after infection
work in India suggests 57% of Mumbai are testing positive to having had the disease , we shall see
M-J-G
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Give it a go and if we don't hear from you we'll know it was a stupid thing to do.
See you on the flipside, maybe...
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Immunity to Covid-19 could be lost in months, UK study suggests
Exclusive: King’s College London team found steep drops in antibody levels three months after infection
That's not even the same scenario , we expect better from youAlso Spanish research found exactly the same:
Coronavirus herd immunity may be 'unachievable' after study suggests antibodies disappear after weeks in some people
A study of more than 61,000 people in Spain found that just 5% had developed antibodies that could provide COVID-19 immunity.
Goweresque
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Thats not correct. Antibody half life differs from disease to disease. For tetanus its about 11 years, 50 years for chickenpox, for measles its 200 years. I myself had a blood test late last year that revealed I'd had Epstein Barr virus (aka glandular fever) at some point in my life, the doctor said there was no way of knowing when, as the antibodies stay in the blood for your entire life once you've had it.
How Long Do I Retain Immunity? (Published 2018)
Antibody half-life varies tremendously, from about 11 years for tetanus to over 200 years for measles and mumps.
For the common cold and the flu the half life of the antibodies is very short, weeks or months. Hence why we get reinfected with them constantly. Covid is a coronavirus which is the common cold family, and it seems the antibodies fade within months, like for colds. Thus we will all be capable of catching it repeatedly over our lives, unless a vaccine that can stimulate a far longer antibody half life can be found, which seems unlikely given actually having the virus is going to stimulate the immune system far more than a mild form in a vaccine.
One thing that seems to being kept quiet, is that while discovered infections are rising, fatalities are still dropping, and numbers requiring hospital treatment like wise.Another odd fact(unless you want to keep the numbers up) is that once you have had covid, its the only thing that will appear on your death cert, even if your run down by a car years later. North Wales man had it, recovered, then some months later heart failed, death cert said covid!
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The common cold is a rhinovirus of which their are thousands so we regularly get infected by a different variant.
one Coronavirus does cause common cold symptoms and is regularly seen among young children, but very rarely in older, suggesting, their is a very good chance that an infection of Covid 19 will not re occur. Some scientists believe, and I would emphasise a very small number, that a recent infection of a childhood coronavirus causing common cold symptoms may in fact give medium term term resistance to Covid 19, but at the moment there is zero proof
one Coronavirus does cause common cold symptoms and is regularly seen among young children, but very rarely in older, suggesting, their is a very good chance that an infection of Covid 19 will not re occur. Some scientists believe, and I would emphasise a very small number, that a recent infection of a childhood coronavirus causing common cold symptoms may in fact give medium term term resistance to Covid 19, but at the moment there is zero proof
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Good chance there are many long lasting effects on the person after "getting it" making other conditions more dangerous to life.
ollie989898
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Thats not correct. Antibody half life differs from disease to disease. For tetanus its about 11 years, 50 years for chickenpox, for measles its 200 years. I myself had a blood test late last year that revealed I'd had Epstein Barr virus (aka glandular fever) at some point in my life, the doctor said there was no way of knowing when, as the antibodies stay in the blood for your entire life once you've had it.
How Long Do I Retain Immunity? (Published 2018)
Antibody half-life varies tremendously, from about 11 years for tetanus to over 200 years for measles and mumps.www.nytimes.com
For the common cold and the flu the half life of the antibodies is very short, weeks or months. Hence why we get reinfected with them constantly. Covid is a coronavirus which is the common cold family, and it seems the antibodies fade within months, like for colds. Thus we will all be capable of catching it repeatedly over our lives, unless a vaccine that can stimulate a far longer antibody half life can be found, which seems unlikely given actually having the virus is going to stimulate the immune system far more than a mild form in a vaccine.
They all disappear in time, yes. I don't know about the half life of particular antibodies I'm afraid. I would suspect that if not contacted for long periods of time the immunity begins to fade, this is one reason why the NHS does not opt for wide spread chickenpox vaccination, to ensure adults are being infected with the virus repeatedly throughout their lives.
The problem you will have with colds and flu is that there are dozens of different strains so there may be very little immunity to the latest one doing the rounds. Viruses mutate very readily over time and amongst different populations.
As I said earlier, the body simply won't be able to sustain mass-producing these proteins at the maximum rate forever and there is plenty of other things being carried around in the blood before jamming it with 3 million different times of antibody. The memory B cells, however, seem able to produce the correct antibody for many years.
There are (were) elderly survivors of the 1918 influenza epidemic whose blood still contained antibodies that 'fitted' the 1918 flu, but these will not have been produced at the maximum rate for nearly 100 years. To do so has a metabolic cost and would not be advantageous to the body either. The levels decline over time unless the signal is received to produce them again. This graph illustrates it better than I could explain. It is somewhat confused by the presence of some immunoglobulins who can 'work' in more subtle ways and find utility against more than one pathogen. Repeated infection by the same pathogen results in a far faster and more drastic response.
U bin in Epstein's bar ??Thats not correct. Antibody half life differs from disease to disease. For tetanus its about 11 years, 50 years for chickenpox, for measles its 200 years. I myself had a blood test late last year that revealed I'd had Epstein Barr virus (aka glandular fever) at some point in my life, the doctor said there was no way of knowing when, as the antibodies stay in the blood for your entire life once you've had it.
How Long Do I Retain Immunity? (Published 2018)
Antibody half-life varies tremendously, from about 11 years for tetanus to over 200 years for measles and mumps.
For the common cold and the flu the half life of the antibodies is very short, weeks or months. Hence why we get reinfected with them constantly. Covid is a coronavirus which is the common cold family, and it seems the antibodies fade within months, like for colds. Thus we will all be capable of catching it repeatedly over our lives, unless a vaccine that can stimulate a far longer antibody half life can be found, which seems unlikely given actually having the virus is going to stimulate the immune system far more than a mild form in a vaccine.
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