Tax relief on Red Diesel being scrapped in budget?

farmerm

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Location
Shropshire
You’re getting your fuels mixed up there. E5 is the current bioethanol inclusion rate in petrol. E10 is a proposal and would please the owners of Ensus and Vivergo.

In diesel it’s B7 FAME (biodiesel) currently. There’s a possibility that the government would increase this to B10 but there are worries about the engine components from such a change.
Not only would E10 please Ensus and Vivergo it would please those looking to sell wheat as it would suck in a lot of tonnage.... probably put £10/ton on wheat price in Eastern counties
 

Brisel

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Arable Farmer
Location
Midlands
Not only would E10 please Ensus and Vivergo it would please those looking to sell wheat as it would suck in a lot of tonnage.... probably put £10/ton on wheat price in Eastern counties

That assumes they are using wheat, not maize. They use whatever is cheapest and at the moment maize is much cheaper. Both are near deep water ports.
 

farmerm

Member
Location
Shropshire
Only if they run on wheat. Most maize is GM
Given GM maize production is illegal for UK farmers is seems only right that we should blockade those few deep water ports bringing in GM maize to supply these plants.... A few days of direct action that will not affect the wider public but serve as a warning shot to the government who seem keen to press ahead in allowing an increase in the quantity of cheap food imports produced to standards that would be illegal in the UK....
 

Goweresque

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Location
North Wilts
Isn't this switch over going to make it difficult for HMRC to prove that a vehicle that tests positive for red is actually breaking the law, if it used to be able to use red legally? That is to say if they descend on a building site and find traces of red in the diggers, will the owners not argue that 'Well of course, it used to run on red before the change in the law, and that must have contaminated the sample, your Honour!'?

How long would traces of red stay in a tank?
 

andybk

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Mendips Somerset
Isn't this switch over going to make it difficult for HMRC to prove that a vehicle that tests positive for red is actually breaking the law, if it used to be able to use red legally? That is to say if they descend on a building site and find traces of red in the diggers, will the owners not argue that 'Well of course, it used to run on red before the change in the law, and that must have contaminated the sample, your Honour!'?

How long would traces of red stay in a tank?
i expect it will be the purchase of it from oil merchants that will be controlled , and made illegal to be sold on ., as now i believe , think the red die someone said was like a barcode and can be traced back to source . woe be tide any construction equipment with farmer traces of red
 

Steevo

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Location
Gloucestershire
Isn't this switch over going to make it difficult for HMRC to prove that a vehicle that tests positive for red is actually breaking the law, if it used to be able to use red legally? That is to say if they descend on a building site and find traces of red in the diggers, will the owners not argue that 'Well of course, it used to run on red before the change in the law, and that must have contaminated the sample, your Honour!'?

How long would traces of red stay in a tank?

It's a valid point. I'm sure they'll work a plan out for it to tackle it somehow.
 

digger64

Member
this is 2020 not 1820,
ans hope you never buy anything from out side of your small world,
as for producing food, why is it farmers think they are feeding the world, yet not only they cannot feed there own country, but you could not feed a car full of 4 if they turned up on your farm
If we stop producing something here and import it , it means that someone somewhere else in some far away out of sight place goes without and probably gets pushed of their subsistence land by some big multi national ag company like cargill or pioneer etc .
No we can't feed ourselves but we do need to look at the bigger picture rather than just buy the cheapest ticket as a nation .
 
E10 is a proposal and would please the owners of Ensus and Vivergo.

Not only would E10 please Ensus and Vivergo it would please those looking to sell wheat as it would suck in a lot of tonnage.... probably put £10/ton on wheat price in Eastern counties


E10 roll-out from this coming September...

I wonder who will have the supply agreement with Vivergo...
 

Brisel

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Midlands
It used to be Glencore/Viterra for Ensus. Frontier for Vivergo. GrainCo built a store next to Ensus. Has the ownership of Vivergo changed?
 

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