Things that would improve farm safety ?

Andrew

Never Forgotten
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Huntingdon, UK
No there wouldn't because they'd have all sold out to the corporate interests who would have rationalised farming into massive units the same way every other industry has rationalised over the last 80 years. And would be operating with brand new equipment and new buildings built exactly for purpose. Not ones cobbled together with old telegraph poles and second hand tins.

Its the lack of profitability that keeps the corporate interests out of farming and that in turn means owner occupiers scrimping and saving, and just scraping a living on the dregs of low profitability and subsidies. Get the likes of Tesco owning hundreds of thousands of acres and farming them for decent profits for the shareholders, and the H&S issue would be solved.

The accident I referred to earlier happened on a farm owned by a giant multinational that posts profits of £600 million.

But why would farmers want to sell up just when it had become profitable anyway?
 
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Derrick Hughes

Member
Location
Ceredigion
the cab is where everyone should be as much as possible and systems designed to make work from within the cab as much as possible implemented when they can be as its by far the safest place to be - lorry or tractor cab
When unloading straw make sure the lorry driver is not on the other side wrapping the straps up , young lad was killed last year when the bales toppled on him
 

7610 super q

Never Forgotten
Honorary Member
But if we made £1000 / t clear profit on every ton of wheat sold, there would still be some people that tried to replace the roof sheet themselves. Even if the tradesman was free there would be some people that did it themselves for whatever reason.
Yes, I agree, accidents will still happen. But I'm convinced £1000t wheat ( insert other produce ) would cut accidents substantially. You wouldn't be fussed about rushing to sow that last 20 acres to beat the rain and so on........
 

murphy

Member
This industry has a tragic safety record, what can we all do that may improve this ?

lets use this thread for suggestions ? some maybe unpopular with others (I know mine will be !) but surely we can’t continue watching so many loose their life’s trying to produce a bit of food

my top 3 suggestions

1) no dogs in cabs ....... ever

2) ban big bags or at the very least any reuse of them

3) mandatory at least 1 day off per week, cap maximum working hours over a 48hr period

as I say I know the above would not be popular with all but if even 1 life is saved ....... all create challenges but I’m sure there are solutions


other suggestions please ?
I don't think the livestock will be to impressed when they learn there only getting fed 6 days a week
 
Agreed, but not with respect to H&S. There is one threshold for that - at I think (it’s middle of the night in a lambing shed, I’m not going to check) five employees. You don’t have any change in H&S written requirements going from a singleton to a team of two or three.


I think it's five as well. Limits what work you can take on, shame really.
 
Yes, I agree, accidents will still happen. But I'm convinced £1000t wheat ( insert other produce ) would cut accidents substantially. You wouldn't be fussed about rushing to sow that last 20 acres to beat the rain and so on........


Maybe ... but I would say for the first 50 years farmers would act as if it was going to end in the next 30 seconds ...
 

Henarar

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
Sorry - I don’t have any motorways within 100 miles of me. But I still don’t and won’t condone breaking one law because you think you’re better than those who set them.

Why don’t you just buy a tractor that’s legal at the higher speeds?
perhaps instead of condoning breaking the law he should lobby to get it changed, 30 or 35mph on a duel carriageway 25 mph everywhere else
 

Spud

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
YO62
thankfully the police locally seem to have some common sense

they watch hundreds of tractors from various farms run up and down the a5 / a38 locally pretty much daily and ive never heard of anyone ever being pulled for speeding despite the fact that ALL are doing so

I think they understand the concept of “appropriate” speed for a situation to reduce chances of bad accident ....... probably as a results of being the poor buggers clearing up the mess and informing family of deaths following some of the rear end accidents on such roads in the past

they are quite active on weight and road worthiness, we are only a mile or so from a VSOA weigh bridge and check point that is often active

Good job they ignore the weights of your big trailers isn't it then Clive. You must be a special chap, to be able to obey or ignore whichever laws you fancy.

I see too many over weight tractors and trailers tipped over, mostly on roundabouts. If they drove slower, it wouldn't happen, but people like you say its ok, because 55k means you won't get shunted from behind. You're up on a cloud mate. If you really think an extra 10kph (thats six miles an hour!) or whatever makes the difference between been shunted or not, by a truck that might be travelling at nearly 90kph, then you're basically making excuses to avoid buying proper legal equipment.

You're simply finding excuses to bomb along the dual carriageways with your overweight trailers at illegal speeds.

Go buy some Fastracs, or some trucks, then you'll be legal, its an easy enough fix.
 
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Wigeon

Member
Arable Farmer
Screwfix (and plenty of other outlets) sells certified fall arrest harness kits from £50. If you can't afford that you really are in financial trouble.
Agreed a hundred times, though I believe technically a cherry picker or man cage requires a restraint harness rather than fall arrest. Not 100 percent but I think that's what they said on my IPAF.
 

MickMoor

Member
Location
Bonsall, UK
Agreed a hundred times, though I believe technically a cherry picker or man cage requires a restraint harness rather than fall arrest. Not 100 percent but I think that's what they said on my IPAF.

Correct.
I remember when we started using cherry pickers. We though they would add cost. In fact, because you have everything with you in the basket, they make the job easier and quicker, as well as as safer, so there is no increased cost.
If a customer expects me to cut corners, I have a stock reply, “ So you want me to risk my life to save you a few pounds?”
A few farms are an untidy, dirty mess; these are likely to have an accident waiting to happen.
 
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DrWazzock

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
Correct.
I remember when we started using cherry pickers. We though they would add cost. In fact, because you have everything with you in the basket, they make the job easier and quicker, as well as as safer, so there is no increased cost.
If a customer expects me to cut corners, I have a stock reply, “ So you want me to risk my life to save you a few pounds?”
A few farms are an untidy, dirty mess; these are likely to have an accident waiting to happen.
True. Two blokes with a cherry picker put our shed up a lot faster than the old boys did thirty years ago tightrope walking along the rafters with only a fag end to hold onto and a knackered Cole’s crane to lift anything.
I was slightly concerned by the amount of roofing sheets they stacked onto the cherry picker basket to get them up there but they knew a lot more about the job than I did so I didn’t interfere.
 

Derrick Hughes

Member
Location
Ceredigion
Yes, I agree, accidents will still happen. But I'm convinced £1000t wheat ( insert other produce ) would cut accidents substantially. You wouldn't be fussed about rushing to sow that last 20 acres to beat the rain and so on........
I don't agree
In the 70ts one could make a good living milking 50 cows . With
quite modern plant so would have be feasible to keep a lot more
So what happened I have no idea, did high interest rates stop expansion, could well be , so what would happen if the wheat price went to what you suggest. 5000 acre men would suddenly become 10,000 acre men
Safety can mainly be summed up in a few words , "Stop and Think"
When your stressed up to the eye balls , don't have time to think , that's when things happen!
Money would make my farm no safer , its a state of mind , some people think it will never happen to them
 

roscoe erf

Member
Livestock Farmer
I don't agree
In the 70ts one could make a good living milking 50 cows . With
quite modern plant so would have be feasible to keep a lot more
So what happened I have no idea, did high interest rates stop expansion, could well be , so what would happen if the wheat price went to what you suggest. 5000 acre men would suddenly become 10,000 acre men
Safety can mainly be summed up in a few words , "Stop and Think"
When your stressed up to the eye balls , don't have time to think , that's when things happen!
Money would make my farm no safer , its a state of mind , some people think it will never happen to them
rubbish
 

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