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Thing is, the internet gives everyone a voice, even the damaged ones.
Danger to children 'Small Butterfly'
- Thread starter Danllan
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This isn't true. My eldest is almost 14 and has no phone. He's the only one without. Noone makes fun of him because of it. I'd imagine it's different for girls as they seem so much more catty towards each other, but my son's friends really don't care. Neither does he. He has access to social media via Discord, which we can and do monitor.
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Thanks for the heads up @DanllanThere’s no such thing as a false alarm when it comes to these utter scum bags
Disagree. False alarms are just as bad as the real thing - they make us think the problem is far worse than it is, amongst other issues, which causes divisions in society, suspicion of our neighbours etc.
Always fact check before forwarding messages like these - regardless of source. The Police sometimes get it wrong, Neighbourhood watch often get it wrong, teaching admin staff usually get it wrong, and all it does is cause fear for parents and kids, puts kids under even more pressure than ever etc.
Check, check again and then only forward what you have confirmed is correct.
Danllan
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No. A reasonable belief in something from a credible source is fine to work on; something from 'Yuri@Kremnet' would not be. When something has been passed on by an LEA and Government and the police are involved, it's a fair call to take it as being genuine.
Of course everybody gets things wrong sometimes, as you have in this case, but that doesn't mean it is unwise to take heed of them most of the time.
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- Scottish Highlands
Yes, but are they involved or is that just what the email said? Not wanting to get involved in the specifics of this one, but Police press releases and SM feed is often false alerts because they don’t do due diligence checks either.
You don’t need many qualifications to work in the school office and I’m fairly sure they won’t be SM savy either.
Danllan
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See below...
No. Ultimately what you are suggesting will result in a complete removal of trust in the system, and a highly impracticable necessity of researching every single thing shared with us to the nth degree - that will cause a great deal of harm, although I won't stray into hyperbole and claim it would be 'as bad as the real thing'. Taken to its logical conclusion, following this line of thinking will be a shortcut to the misery, distress and chaos that the trouble-makers want - nobody trusting anything they have been sent, ever, everything being doubted, and so make achieving their aims far easier for them.
Making use of our critical faculties, exercising reasonable discretion in this as in everything else, is a far more sensible thing to do. So, I shall continue to presume that what I am sent by the Headmaster is factual unless I have good reason to believe otherwise; he is a sensible fellow and wouldn't pass on anything that wasn't credible in his opinion, I trust his judgement is these matters.
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No. Ultimately what you are suggesting will result in a complete removal of trust in the system, and a highly impracticable necessity of researching every single thing shared with us to the nth degree - that will cause a great deal of harm, although I won't stray into hyperbole and claim it would be 'as bad as the real thing'. Taken to its logical conclusion, following this line of thinking will be a shortcut to the misery, distress and chaos that the trouble-makers want - nobody trusting anything they have been sent, ever, everything being doubted, and so make achieving their aims far easier for them.
Making use of our critical faculties, exercising reasonable discretion in this as in everything else, is a far more sensible thing to do. So, I shall continue to presume that what I am sent by the Headmaster is factual unless I have good reason to believe otherwise; he is a sensible fellow and wouldn't pass on anything that wasn't credible in his opinion, I trust his judgement is these matters.
What I'm suggesting would lead to a stopping of fake news spread! A 2 minute google search of "small butterfly facebook self harm" led to nothing last night and this thread popping up this morning, which tells me it's likely a made up scaremongering thing rather than anything true. It would appear that @Exfarmer has done similar with the same result too. If only you had done similar, then we wouldn't have felt compelled to do so. It's healthy to be sceptical of everything, and I certainly won't share what I haven't checked out.
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Very true. I have noticed the ones repeating such things are the ones who fear it most, the original authors must know this and revel at the fear they incite. The number of posts on FB warning about kiddy fiddlers and dog thieves is almost hysteria. I don't want to go all conspiracy theory but it would not surprise me in the least if a great deal of it goes back to foreign governments playing a part somewhere. I know that sounds a bit tin foil hat and all that but the amount of posts on the subject is disproportionate to the problem itself and it was the conclusion I came to.
Some people on FB seem to seek out such posts to repeat because I can't figure out how they find so many, maybe it is FB algorithms playing their part and they are subjected to posts on the matter.
As an example, there must have been 100's of posts on the local village FB page regarding dog thieves but nobody in the area had been a victim of dog theft. They were believing that every cable tie fastened to a post was a sign to dog thieves, never mind it was them that put it there 3 years prior to fasten the village fete poster up. I make this comment as I am dumbfounded why people choose to instantly believe these things rather than check the story for themselves. Having said that I have fallen for fake news in the past.
edit to say this wasn't aimed particularly at Danllan
Danllan
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Ah, I see, sorry, I missed your inference earlier - you're virtue flagging & I'm a sheep-like panic-monger...
FFS, you self-righteous prig, I passed on information from an entirely legitimate source on a very serious matter; if you want to carry on poking, feel free, as far as I''m concerned that's you receipted and filed...
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Ah, I see, sorry, I missed your inference earlier - you're virtue flagging & I'm a sheep-like panic-monger...
FFS, you self-righteous prig, I passed on information from an entirely legitimate source on a very serious matter; if you want to carry on poking, feel free, as far as I''m concerned that's you receipted and filed...
I’ve tried very hard to keep this generic and away from specifics. I’m sorry if you’ve taken it personally and it’s dented your ego.
On another note:
Danllan
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Yeah... the opinion of some bloke off the internet really, really matters to me...
No, not bothered by your posts in a personal sense, water off a ducks back; but certainly am bothered by the fact that they could lead to people ignoring genuine risks.
Anyway, back to the sheep...
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Looks like a wind up - which has succeeded as everyone is now well 'wound up'Yeah... the opinion of some bloke off the internet really, really matters to me...
No, not bothered by your posts in a personal sense, water off a ducks back; but certainly am bothered by the fact that they could lead to people ignoring genuine risks.
Anyway, back to the sheep...
Stuff shouldn't be shared without some basic fact checking regardless of the subject matter - as it is usually accompanied by some form of malware.
Danllan
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Oh it's you, just popped over for an attempt at a dig, fair enough... any chance of you're finally responding to my questions about Scottish independence while you're here?
In re your 'post', 'stuff' that can contain malware would have to be a forwarded mail, not a summary of some information. The Original mail came from a County e-mail address using good software and was opened by me using Norton. With regard to 'fact-checking', I'll stick to my earlier line.
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Well i was just missing you and thought i would see how you were doing. It wasnt a pop at you - the school should be doing basic checking before sending stuff out to parents. You can bet they emailed it out as well. The usual form is to send an email to the IT helpdesk with this or saying they think they opened an email with a virus and then copy everyone into the forwarded email.Oh it's you, just popped over for an attempt at a dig, fair enough... any chance of you're finally responding to my questions about Scottish independence while you're here?
In re your 'post', 'stuff' that can contain malware would have to be a forwarded mail, not a summary of some information. The Original mail came from a County e-mail address using good software and was opened by me using Norton. With regard to 'fact-checking', I'll stick to my earlier line.
Danllan
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Fair enough, my misunderstanding. Although there appears to be nothing on the net stating this is / was a genuine thing, there is nothing I have found confirming it as a scam.
Still waiting for a response in re you know what...
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Fair enough, my misunderstanding. Although there appears to be nothing on the net stating this is / was a genuine thing, there is nothing I have found confirming it as a scam.
Still waiting for a response in re you know what...
Hmmm - i dont have a note of any outstanding actions in my task list so i was assuming that you were fully satisfied. How may i service you further?
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Sick
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Its a very common saying in the service industry.