Slurry Storage

jimmer · Nov 6, 2021

Why is it that hours of thought, deliberation and sleepless nights go onto spending big bucks on things around the yard, yet a fraction of the time spent on looking at spending what is usually a fraction of the cost outside the farm yard

Some tracks, water troughs and leccy fencing might massively reduce or even negate the need for yard infrastructure

I'm talking in general not necessary about the thread starter

Davy · Nov 6, 2021

Mc115reed said:
I bet your one of them conspiracy nuts that’s been convinced that splash plates will be banned soon for the last 20 years too aren’t you

NI seem to be some years ahead of the rest of the UK when it comes to slurry etc as its all nvz, so it's only a matter of looking at what we are doing to see where you will end up. Splash plates are now no more for contractors and farms over 200 stock units, open lagoons wouldn't be that common, but they would have to be lines, new ones are covered. Covering towers will be the next thing I imagine, portal frames over them will not count.

Mc115reed · Nov 6, 2021

puppet said:
Government consultation already out up here to ban splash plates for contractors and farms with over 200 cows from 2022, total ban from 2025

People been saying that since the 70s and people are still splashplating happy as Larry… same with rain guns they’re supposed to be banned but still plenty still in use

vantage · Nov 6, 2021

Davy said:
NI seem to be some years ahead of the rest of the UK when it comes to slurry etc as its all nvz, so it's only a matter of looking at what we are doing to see where you will end up. Splash plates are now no more for contractors and farms over 200 stock units, open lagoons wouldn't be that common, but they would have to be lines, new ones are covered. Covering towers will be the next thing I imagine, portal frames over them will not count.

As matter of interest, what is your N limit per hectare and do you have any specific derogations?

puppet · Nov 6, 2021

Scholsey said:
splash plate? what’s a splash plate?

I'll sell you 2 next year

Davy · Nov 6, 2021

vantage said:
As matter of interest, what is your N limit per hectare and do you have any specific derogations?

170 and a derogation to 250 for some

Sid · Nov 6, 2021

frederick said:
Earth banked lagoons WILL be banned unless they have an approved impermeable to gas cover.
I think the slurry investment scheme guidance has been delayed because they don't know the answer.
How you cover and stir an earth lagoon I do not know.

The straw cover would be a nice idea but on separated liquid how thick is that mat going to have to be so it's not all blown to one side in the wind.

Been involved with a co-design on tackling pollution from slurry.

It's definitely been an eye opener with their understanding of what is needed at farm level!

Bald Rick · Nov 6, 2021

Mc115reed said:
Earth banked lagoons will never be banned, there is probably 80% of the country’s slurry stores in a soil bank lagoon… worse case senario dig a hole and put a plastic liner in it…

They won’t be banned …. But you will be expected to cover them to prevent emission.
Government attention is now focused on ammonia (as well as methane) so if it was me, I’d bite the bullet and go covered store on any new build plus of course you stop storing rainwater unnecessarily

ColinV6 · Nov 6, 2021

All these new rules and regulations being forced in at a huge cost, if they push too hard I won’t worry about it. Someone else can have all the hassle and stress of the job. Not only that who knows what staffing will be like in 10 years time. I hate to be doom and gloom about it all but I really dislike the way it’s all heading.

£200k on a slurry set up is probably no big deal if your already on the banks hamster wheel but that’s not somewhere I fancy ending up.

Mc115reed · Nov 6, 2021

Bald Rick said:
They won’t be banned …. But you will be expected to cover them to prevent emission.
Government attention is now focused on ammonia (as well as methane) so if it was me, I’d bite the bullet and go covered store on any new build plus of course you stop storing rainwater unnecessarily

Expecting you too cover it and forcing you too cover it are too totally different things though… generally rules like this only change too no planning will be granted for slurry stores without a cover after 2023 but any slurry stores built before then nobody gives a sh!t about carry on as you are lads…

coomoo · Nov 6, 2021

woodylane said:
Just pricing up options for 3000m3 of storage, steel tank with a roof is coming out near £175k!!! Although I think this is the best option for future proofing the farm, what does everyone else think? Other option is a lagoon with a steel portal frame over the top. Not keen on floating covers but maybe I’m mistaken. Bedding on sawdust on mats.

any thoughts please??

So your current slurry handling is poor and insufficient

Barmyfarmer · Nov 6, 2021

If you think about the nutrient value held in the slurry store, are they really that expensive? I don't think so

Bramble · Nov 6, 2021

Why are we covering slurry stores??? Are we excluding water or trying to reduce methane?

Scholsey · Nov 6, 2021

Wonder what the carbon foot print of a steel slurry ringed slurry store with concrete base actually is? Bet it’s far more damaging than letting someone carry on with their perfectly safe earth lagoon for a few years more.

early riser · Nov 6, 2021

Bramble said:
Why are we covering slurry stores??? Are we excluding water or trying to reduce methane?

Reducing ammonia emissions

yellowfrog · Nov 6, 2021

early riser said:
Reducing ammonia emissions

then we should be covering the palace of westminster first!!!!!

Bramble · Nov 6, 2021

early riser said:
Reducing ammonia emissions

So if slurry is giving off ammonia how are we going to collect it if we cover a store, and what are we going to do with it once we’ve collected it?? Do we have to pay a disposal charge to get rid of the ammonia?

Or does just chucking a floating cover over a lagoon stop it producing ammonia?

These are questions someone should ask before we are told to spend thousands on roofs and covers

coomoo · Nov 6, 2021

Bramble said:
So if slurry is giving off ammonia how are we going to collect it if we cover a store, and what are we going to do with it once we’ve collected it?? Do we have to pay a disposal charge to get rid of the ammonia?

Or does just chucking a floating cover over a lagoon stop it producing ammonia?

These are questions someone should ask before we are told to spend thousands on roofs and covers

Just get the grant

Martyn · Nov 7, 2021

I was recently told about Clay based small pellets that float across your a lagoo!? Surely when we come to mix our stores to spread slurry the gasses will all get released anyway?

Bramble · Nov 7, 2021

coomoo said:
Just get the grant

If seaweed extract, or any other nutritional supplement, really does reduce methane output from a cow the government would be far better off putting a grant on feeding the stuff rather than bother with slurry covers.

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