Bossfarmer was saying his mortgage should be paid for by subsidies a couple weeks ago!
yes i know what you were referring to but i think the post you were replying to was costing rent and finance in, if he was his operational costs are low!
New information about what Environmental Land Management schemes will pay for
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yes i know what you were referring to but i think the post you were replying to was costing rent and finance in, if he was his operational costs are low!
wanton dwarf
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Isn't this a bit like saying "I'm Green".
Then, "Life is Good" and going on lots of holidays ?
Or in other words creating Green Policy but failing both to pay for it AND provide Green alternatives.
The UK government COULD create Fertiliser based on recycled human waste and Green energy inputs - but they've done NOTHING.
You could say farmers were paying the taxpayers mortgages by producing food below the cost of production.
What % of your profit was the BPS if you don’t mind me askingI’ll keep calm and carry on with no sub. It had shrunk to an ever smaller proportion of profit by not keeping up with inflation anyway.
Life’s too short on a sub 200 acre farm for even more nonsense for a tenner here and twenty quid there. Had a massive steak at Miller and Carter in Grimsby for my lunch, surrounded by well fed folk who know what decent food is. Lovely. The perfect antidote to this smashed up avocado of a policy.
It’ll be reet.
Don’t understand a word of that frankly or certainly its relevance to this thread
ollie989898
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Ok, so what is to stop an AJCC type situation, you put some part of a field or even whole field into a scheme, take their shilling, then 10 years down the line decide it is a mess and you want to tidy up the hedges and tear it up to put wheat in so you can clean it up? Some clipboard sees you spraying it off, it goes orange and then the same clipboard turns up and issues a stop notice whilst you are half-way through ploughing because they've decided the place is now important because it's been in the scheme for 10 years and they've spotted lesser green-tipped orchids in there?
In the ensuring court battle you lost 30K having maybe earned 4K in duration you have the area in the scheme?
I would urge any forum-member thinking this is an easy earn to tread with extreme caution. Clive thinks it's all fun and games and being paid for doing things he already does, no insecticide use, blah blah blah, in reality it is an open invitation to have clipboards on the place with magnifying glasses and finding things, noting it down and then playing judge, jury and executioner 10 or more years down the line.
no you can't - if UK farmers don't supply cheap food their are plenty of farmers in other countries that would be happy to do so I'm afraid , we have to compete
sad but a fact of life
4course
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It happens , the taxpayer covers an awful lot of some folks finance liability. Never heard of a buy to let on a mortgage rented to someone claiming housing benefits ,!!
Helen Morgan has been a breath of fresh air to north Shropshire . Hard to believe we kept voting for the Conservatives for hundreds of years .
ollie989898
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I bet it has somehow somewhere. Where there is a scheme there is a schemer.
thankfully Bossfarmer is not the chancellor !
ringi
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Many of the options can be moved to a different location each year. These will have the lower risk.
Likewise NE can stop you cutting a hedge in a way they don't like but they can't force you to continue to cut the hedge.
Then think of for example getting paid for a fenced "wildlife buffer" that contains a public footpath, so creating something that solves a problem for you and that you would wish to keep regardless of continued payments.
it's not how I would ever vote for my tax contributions to be spent, as a tax payer I certainly see no reason to be buying land or farms for anyone who fancies one as part of their sub !
ollie989898
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I wish we could do the same for the Wrekin rural, or whatever it's called these days... Man is a gobshite.
wanton dwarf
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Scottish farmers get to keep BPS payment levels. Scottish parliament is supporting their farmers.
What we have is UK Civil Service persecuting English farmers for being English whilst at the same time facing higher regulation than imports.
I wouldn't call that competition.
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Oh blimey. I'm trying to get my head around the new offers for SFI pilot members. I've read pages and pages but can't make much of it TBH. The language used is very confusing, maybe even ambiguous. As for understanding what's on offer? Haven't a clue!
4course
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not a schemer just folk working within the system, much the same as most on here will be wether taking up these
schemes or not , so who is scheming ?.. reckon its pretty much everyone
on my rough calculations today sfi and css more than replaces my bps before reductions - it does so whilst tangibly providing natural capital / public goods ……. that , imo is a result for both farmer, tax payer and defra
thats speaking as a arable combinable crops though
clearly from this thread the same can’t be said for livestock………. yet
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I've got to page 19 & it seems livestock farmers are not happy. I can understand dairy farmers not been happy, I suspect they will lose more than most. Maybe less so beef & sheep.
I'm small arable cereals, veg, potatoes, sheep, hay in little bales to sell, farm shop & a non farming business just 220 acre part rented part owned.
Thinking ahead to slowing down in my 60's but keeping the farm if my young nephews or even niece want to take it on. I see lots of grants for the things I want to do, clover leys, generous boundary grants, over wintered stubbles, laying water onto fields, farm tracks, grants for maintance of old building.
Its odd that I was dreading Brexit, because I knew the boot would be put into agriculture, yet I'm quite happy.
Can't wait to be 60, looking forward to tending to the stock, growing some cereals & any spare time rebuilding drystone walls or hedge laying. Lots of stone building to re point as well. Creosoting all these wood gates will be relaxing as well. Maybe take in some school visits.
I'm small arable cereals, veg, potatoes, sheep, hay in little bales to sell, farm shop & a non farming business just 220 acre part rented part owned.
Thinking ahead to slowing down in my 60's but keeping the farm if my young nephews or even niece want to take it on. I see lots of grants for the things I want to do, clover leys, generous boundary grants, over wintered stubbles, laying water onto fields, farm tracks, grants for maintance of old building.
Its odd that I was dreading Brexit, because I knew the boot would be put into agriculture, yet I'm quite happy.
Can't wait to be 60, looking forward to tending to the stock, growing some cereals & any spare time rebuilding drystone walls or hedge laying. Lots of stone building to re point as well. Creosoting all these wood gates will be relaxing as well. Maybe take in some school visits.
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