- Location
- NSW, Newstralya
Liquid fert and new urea rules ?
- Thread starter Clive
- Start date
It's a bit like religion, where the person in the fancy robes thumps the pulpit and tells us we're all sinners, but we'll never see the original texts from Mathew Mark Luke and John, Joel's plough shares or Corinthian letters etc etc, that have been translated in just such a way as to keep all the peasants in line and doing what they're told.
- Location
- Essex
Any problems with tank mixing ?
My agronomist is quite risk averse on this so it's nice to hear you can chuck it in with anything else, or are there mixes to avoid?
Is folex the same as Nufol?
you know I read this thread and various others recently and just think .......... why am I bothering farming anymore ?
I'm sure I'm not the only one ?
Maybe we should all take the not so subtle hints, UK farmers are not allowed to compete on even terms to import competitors, the public and government clearly want us to grow flowers ......... so maybe we should juts do that
I'm sure I'm not the only one ?
Maybe we should all take the not so subtle hints, UK farmers are not allowed to compete on even terms to import competitors, the public and government clearly want us to grow flowers ......... so maybe we should juts do that
- Location
- NSW, Newstralya
absolutely no reason or commitment to āgrow foodā
in fact, the thing that pĆ®ssĆØs me off the most about TFF are the constant comments about having to āfeed the worldā
if flowers are more profitable - then grow flowers
If you look at Australian agriculture, āindustriesā tend to change about every 10 years on average, depending on what is more profitable
just because grandad made good money from wheat & wool, doesnāt mean you can today
yellow belly
Member
- Location
- south west lincolnshire
The alternative to the use of inhibitors and timing restrictions
Was a total ban on urea which would have affected all liquid uan
whatever rules we will adapt and ultimatly eithe pay less rent or be a long term net importer when land is taken out of production
Was a total ban on urea which would have affected all liquid uan
whatever rules we will adapt and ultimatly eithe pay less rent or be a long term net importer when land is taken out of production
- Location
- Berkshire
Itās āindustry self regulationā under a RT rule
Will Probably be as effective as the Metaldehyde stewardship and VI in the long run
Steevo
Member
- Location
- Gloucestershire
Itās āindustry self regulationā under a RT rule
Will Probably be as effective as the Metaldehyde stewardship and VI in the long run
"Self regulation" is quite a wide term which makes this difficult.
According to Wikipedia: "Industry self-regulation is the process whereby members of an industry, trade or sector of the economy monitor their own adherence to legal, ethical, or safety standards, rather than have an outside, independent agency such as a third party entity or governmental regulator monitor and enforce those standards"
Personally to me it feels very much like we have an outside, third party entity. I'm not sure for a second that I would suggest they are independent though.
We have the worst of both worlds - members of our industry (NFU) who think they know better have sold out to a third party to monitor the industry, with a guise they still have control.
It reminds me of the government suggesting they have control over the number of migrants entering the country...and yet having a vested interest in not using their powers to do anything about it. The big difference is every 5 years there is a chance to express that disappointment at the ballot box.
- Location
- Essex
Been thinking the same for a while now.
It would be worth it just to witness the collapse of the rusting dead tractor.
ollie989898
Member
What a joke. This kind of thing would pish me off and put me off farming, it is a good job I am no longer involved in it. Carry on putting liquid urea out after April 1st I would. This is clearly a ploy by fertiliser manufacturers who are trying to put urea on the backfoot despite the fact urea is used nearly exclusively worldwide.
Urea is agronomically superior, probably kinder to soil life and is cheaper to transport and has far less issues regarding explosion risks.
Urea is agronomically superior, probably kinder to soil life and is cheaper to transport and has far less issues regarding explosion risks.
Steevo
Member
- Location
- Gloucestershire
This is the UK.....
Our government take anything that works just fine elsewhere in the world as is seen as standard practice.....ban that....and then make the population of our own country do the more difficult, awkward and expensive option.
I think you will find out that if rt didnāt do it then the ea would and charge every farmer that uses urea far greater amount than rt costs ( I hate red tractor as much as anyone and what to see it gone) but I think the NFU have done as good a job with the hand the government gave them.
Is the inhibitor expense?
If we all stuck together and had a year growing nothing would it make a difference, it will never happen though
- Location
- Berkshire
Iāll scrutinise the NFU as much as anyone but letās not forget that AICC and NIAB were involved in this consultation as well
I think against a Gov proposed outright ban theyāve probably done what what they can with a Sh*tty hand
Iām reasonable ok with it apart fromā¦
1/ There needs to be a bad weather exemption for adverse weather like this spring when applications are delayed and early April still allows sound application
2/ RT has nothing to do with it
3/ Liquid is exempt
4/ CF are scrutinised for market control and anything else that can be stuck to them
ollie989898
Member
Rubbish. EA have no such powers.
ollie989898
Member
Red tractor will be the enforcement mechanism.
AIC and the like- all playing the same tune and it is probably not the one farmers want to hear.
CF- can't be touched as they are surely corporate NFU members. It is they are who are probably driving the thing. AN makes little sense as a fertiliser which explains why the majority of the world does not use AN.
Another reason to ditch rt
They have if the government gives it to them!
Essentially the same. 20% w/v Ureic N. I haven't had any complications with any nutrient or fungicide mixes. Never needed to use it with PGRs or Herbicides though. I was warned about certain formulations of Boron and Silicone, but didn't have any problems there either.
I have heard of several trials comparing soil applied N v Foliar, including NIAB trials, and very few adjust foliar applications to requirement & instead just replace the soil applied timings with foliar.....Which needless to say, ends in tears. A bit like trying zero til v conventional, and applying the same drilling date/conditions/experience and expecting to get any meaningful results - Various examples splattered all over social media.
I initially went full bore with the nutrition, in the absence of fungicides, and ignored the cost (Perhaps unnecessary application of nutrients sometimes), but tried to marry up an equivalent number of passes with the sprayer - T0-T3, N1-N4 = 8 passes, plus perhaps some herbicide passes as a bonus to use). All i was trying to establish was whether it was possible to just go soil applied-Foliar-no fungicides etc. Apparently it is possible....And i believe that with better faith in Brix, cost can be considerably reduced, although i doubt the number of sprayer passes will be affected. Sprayer capacity could cause some to come unstuck.
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