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O'Reilly said:

Friend of mine has concerns about signing up to some of these schemes, more the CSS capital ones, over what happens if we have a change of government. Would labour scrap it all overnight?

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the answer is, no idea.

but it is in the green movement, so l would think it would uphold it, there's votes in it.

although, any guv has a huge black hole of debt to fill, and none of them can keep borrowing, and borrowing to fill the gaps in income v spending 'promises'.

the country is in a financial hole, along with many others, and not sure there is an electorial solution. My thinking is quite simple, everything is so expensive, across the globe, there has to be a reckoning, and a reset.

perhaps putrid will do just that, he's getting hammered by Ukraine, his currency has collapsed, economy ruined, what's he got to lose ?

for the grants/subs, you just have to take a balanced view, and hope for the best.

for us, using SAM3, as an option, we do it anyway, so no real effect if the sub stopped.

som farmer said:

the answer is, no idea.

but it is in the green movement, so l would think it would uphold it, there's votes in it.

although, any guv has a huge black hole of debt to fill, and none of them can keep borrowing, and borrowing to fill the gaps in income v spending 'promises'.

the country is in a financial hole, along with many others, and not sure there is an electorial solution. My thinking is quite simple, everything is so expensive, across the globe, there has to be a reckoning, and a reset.

perhaps putrid will do just that, he's getting hammered by Ukraine, his currency has collapsed, economy ruined, what's he got to lose ?

for the grants/subs, you just have to take a balanced view, and hope for the best.

for us, using SAM3, as an option, we do it anyway, so no real effect if the sub stopped.

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Everyone (even the SFI helpline) says more rules are on the way for SAM3. Won’t be as easy as it first looks

Not sure we can rely on any of this. Three weeks ago selling your phosphate allowance for house building was a thing. Then it suddenly wasn't and housebuilders could crack on.

After last night nutrient trading is a thing again but who is going to trust it now after the last three weeks

frederick said:

Not sure we can rely on any of this. Three weeks ago selling your phosphate allowance for house building was a thing. Then it suddenly wasn't and housebuilders could crack on.

After last night nutrient trading is a thing again but who is going to trust it now after the last three weeks

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got to take a position, if you don't, nothing happens.

but, the gov's need to save money, and scrambling to retain votes, is not re-assuring.

ad-hoc, un thought out, vote catching policies, are rubbish, but that is what we have to deal with.

som farmer said:

Basically, after next year, all 'dirty' water, yard run off etc, has to go in the lagoon, 6 months storage, lagoons will need a cover by 2027, stricter rules all the time

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Not sure the bit about everyone needing a cover by 2027 is correct. I have a friend who is well up in the CSF hierarchy and he can’t see any sign of compulsory lagoon covers for existing lagoons coming into force for a long long time.

rusty said:

Not sure the bit about everyone needing a cover by 2027 is correct. I have a friend who is well up in the CSF hierarchy and he can’t see any sign of compulsory lagoon covers for existing lagoons coming into force for a long long time.

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He seems to get a lot of hear say from a lot of people

rusty said:

Not sure the bit about everyone needing a cover by 2027 is correct. I have a friend who is well up in the CSF hierarchy and he can’t see any sign of compulsory lagoon covers for existing lagoons coming into force for a long long time.

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If the cover thing was correct I don’t think there wold be many dairy farmers left in 2028 because ea would have closed them all down
I don’t know any dairy farmer who has his lagoon covered

A crust will suffice

rusty said:

Not sure the bit about everyone needing a cover by 2027 is correct. I have a friend who is well up in the CSF hierarchy and he can’t see any sign of compulsory lagoon covers for existing lagoons coming into force for a long long time.

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hopefully you are right, just what we were told. I had heard, the crust was acceptable for a cover.

If all the new regs are strictly applied, its going to cause a huge reduction in dairy farms, plenty like us, who are not prepared to spend large sums, on old units, or tenants, whose l/lords are not prepared to help out.

I very much doubt, any thoughts about that, have crossed the politicians brain. I do see, our lady minister of the environment, has stated, glyphosate is perfectly safe to use, surprise surprise.

Is it just those that are putting lagoons and towers up on a grant, that have to have them covered then?

Masseymad said:

Is it just those that are putting lagoons and towers up on a grant, that have to have them covered then?

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Not worth the grant in that case unless it’s covering the vast vast majority of the cost.

being awarded the grant is good, a lot have been refused around here.
the next difficult step is planning permission, and been told, that's not easy either.

DickDastardly89 said:

Mona Dairy
W/c 28/8/23
6.01% BF
4.41% P
0.499 paid into the bank

sure as hell beats 32.8ppl!!

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Is that around 36p standard litre?

Farmer Keith said:

Not worth the grant in that case unless it’s covering the vast vast majority of the cost.

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Was thinking that if it has to be covered Id much rather a tower and would need to go and see the bank. If not I'll get planning in for a big hole in the ground and get it dug in a way that expansion is easy

Masseymad said:

Was thinking that if it has to be covered Id much rather a tower and would need to go and see the bank. If not I'll get planning in for a big hole in the ground and get it dug in a way that expansion is easy

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all new lagoons, have to meet current regulations, have planning permission, and all plans have to be 'approved' by EA, before any work starts.

in other words, you are buggered, before you start. PP is difficult, because planners don't want them, the regs massively increase cost's.

and that applies to granted aided, or not.

son worked it out, if we could get the grant, and not eligible at the present time, we have 6 months storage, and could get a licence to fill the present lagoon, with builders waste, a new store, wouldn't be to bad, money wise, to many if's though.

I have been approved for a grant. It has been a long long process, I think there is a chink of light at the end of the tunnel now.
I know that only a few hundred grants have been approved this seems to be so that the system can seem to be working correctly before they can do a large number. As far as I can see the main reason I got the approval was that water in this catchment ends up in Poole Harbour which is a critically important ecosystem.

At no point in the last couple of years of talking to a number of people who should know has anybody said to me that all lagoons have to be covered by a particular date. Anything with a grant definitely has to be covered, if you extend an existing lagoon it will have to have a cover. I am trying for a new one and the 2 I already have will remain as they are, although I am being encouraged to cover them. There is no way that there are enough equipment installers, and the planning process definitely cannot cope with having to cover every lagoon by 2027.

The money has shrunk, it is now 40% of the cost of what is required to get to 6 months storage, until it’s changed again. I still have to get final approval from RPA the next paperwork I have to do is huge so I have been avoiding it, there is another stage after that. For the planning application I have agreement from Catchment Sensitive Farming, EA, the parish, I think the neighbours but Natural England are proving tricky. They have moved forward this week but I still have more to do.

If you want to apply again for a grant. My advice is speak to your local CSF officer, you can get a Farm Infrastructure Report funded by NE they will go through what slurry you produce and what you need, it ticks boxes so definitely do one. But NE won’t necessarily read it even if it’s in a planning application! Make sure all your Nutrient plans are up to date. You can get quotes and designs from an installer but not order anything. With the demand on them the length of time for delivery is only going to get longer.

There is a lot to do before a spade goes in the ground so don’t have a set time. My plan was to be building by now, I don’t think I will have planning this year

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The hassle, the cost, the interest rate. Is it madness? It’s persecution of the farmer!

Aircooled said:

The hassle, the cost, the interest rate. Is it madness? It’s persecution of the farmer!

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And unlike any other industry, no ability pass on rising costs to customers

Aircooled said:

The hassle, the cost, the interest rate. Is it madness? It’s persecution of the farmer!

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It’s nowhere near as bad as the prophecy of doom on here make out,lad I know has just got a lagoon passed for 500 cows without a problem.

Aircooled said:

The hassle, the cost, the interest rate. Is it madness? It’s persecution of the farmer!

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Not just this, but there’s a lot that will test your dedication to the job nowadays.
I don’t see a future for most of the sub 200 cow herds I know around here in the medium to longer term and it won’t be profitability that drives them out, it will be beaurecracy in its many forms
Fek it, I’m getting too old for all this shyt