John Price interview , FarmersWeekly River Lugg video.

kiwi pom

Member
Location
canterbury NZ
Not really true.
It's not that he didn't follow rules, he was convicted on the basis he had not been given authority.
There were a lot of charges in the notes including failing to comply with a stop notice.
Did you read them?
Can't be arsed to read them again but the judge said something like he wrongly claimed he had permission, perhaps the judge lied.
Maybe you know Mr Price, I wonder why everyone is automatically taking his side and believing every word he says.

Again he pleaded guilty to the charges.
 

Old apprentice

Member
Arable Farmer
There were a lot of charges in the notes including failing to comply with a stop notice.
Did you read them?
Can't be arsed to read them again but the judge said something like he wrongly claimed he had permission, perhaps the judge lied.
Maybe you know Mr Price, I wonder why everyone is automatically taking his side and believing every word he says.

Again he pleaded guilty to the charges.
It is the general creeping of the woke society and rules that to country people would just sort out.
 

Jsmith2211

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Somerset
I want to know how the water boards are allowed to dump raw sewage in the river yet a farmer isnt allowed to sort out his own bit of river so it flows properly. Also if i let a tiny bit of slurry into a ditch i'll be fined a far larger % of profit than the water board, and maybe even locked up. Its one rule for us evil farmers and another for everyone else it seems!
 

kiwi pom

Member
Location
canterbury NZ
It’s ridiculous that water authorities are allowed to do that (they do it here too) No one, waterboard, farmer or anyone else should be allowed to do it, harsher penalties required.
I don’t think any landowner should just be able to do whatever they want to any waterways that may pass through their land though.
Some kind of national policy that takes in every bit from high ground to the sea is needed.
 
I want to know how the water boards are allowed to dump raw sewage in the river yet a farmer isnt allowed to sort out his own bit of river so it flows properly. Also if i let a tiny bit of slurry into a ditch i'll be fined a far larger % of profit than the water board, and maybe even locked up. Its one rule for us evil farmers and another for everyone else it seems!
Think about it another way re water companies. They used to be govt before being privatised and the govt probably knew that with house building and population increase the sewers weren't gonna keep up without serious investment. So let them be privatised and the problem ain't their's anymore but just fine them now and again to look like their bothered.
 

renewablejohn

Member
Location
lancs
There were a lot of charges in the notes including failing to comply with a stop notice.
Did you read them?
Can't be arsed to read them again but the judge said something like he wrongly claimed he had permission, perhaps the judge lied.
Maybe you know Mr Price, I wonder why everyone is automatically taking his side and believing every word he says.

Again he pleaded guilty to the charges.
You have a very warped idea of how Justice works in England and of the honesty and integrity of those put in a position to ruin peoples lives. Well next time you open a bottle of wine just look at the implement your using and think what it has in common with the typical English Judge.
 

renewablejohn

Member
Location
lancs
It’s ridiculous that water authorities are allowed to do that (they do it here too) No one, waterboard, farmer or anyone else should be allowed to do it, harsher penalties required.
I don’t think any landowner should just be able to do whatever they want to any waterways that may pass through their land though.
Some kind of national policy that takes in every bit from high ground to the sea is needed.
You really dont get it. There has been a national policy for centuries its called Riparian rights of landowners which should be enforced by the courts but instead new rules whereby state ownership of the land by SSSI takes precedence over legal ownership and title to the land. Its similar to what has been happening in Holland but at least the Dutch had the decency to buy out the land to take control whereas here its just decreed by a new SSSI governed by the unaccountable NE.
 

Bury the Trash

Member
Mixed Farmer
harsher penalties required.
lol.

and all they with that is put the cost back on the customers as an 'environmental' part of the water rates bill.or not even ironically disguised as that, just put the bills up. Fact. happens right now has done for a long time.

No, what they should actually do is put the main people in charge of the waterboards ,in prison for 10 months or so .
 

kiwi pom

Member
Location
canterbury NZ
You really dont get it. There has been a national policy for centuries its called Riparian rights of landowners which should be enforced by the courts but instead new rules whereby state ownership of the land by SSSI takes precedence over legal ownership and title to the land. Its similar to what has been happening in Holland but at least the Dutch had the decency to buy out the land to take control whereas here its just decreed by a new SSSI governed by the unaccountable NE.
No fella you don't get it he committed offences Many of which you keep ignoring) and pleaded guilty, I couldn't care less about your Riparian rights, and it seems his lawyers didn't either. Your problem is with the judge not me.
Perhaps you should have offered to defend him with your vast knowledge on the subject.
 

kiwi pom

Member
Location
canterbury NZ
lol.

and all they with that is put the cost back on the customers as an 'environmental' part of the water rates bill.or not even ironically disguised as that, just put the bills up. Fact. happens right now has done for a long time.

No, what they should actually do is put the main people in charge of the waterboards ,in prison for 10 months or so .
Absolutely lock them up the same as you would a farmer.
Handing out fines that the taxpayer pays anyway is stupid, make them responsible for their decisions.
 

Bury the Trash

Member
Mixed Farmer
Absolutely lock them up the same as you would a farmer.
but they don't get locked up , moreover they are allowed to continue disposing of sewage and so called treated grey water down the rivers and into the bays and our field. its excepted practice.
Handing out fines that the taxpayer pays anyway
eh where does the taxpayer come into it?

As ive said, Water customers pay for it. an ironic and vicious circle
 

kiwi pom

Member
Location
canterbury NZ
but they don't get locked up , moreover they are allowed to continue disposing of sewage and so called treated grey water down the rivers and into the bays and our field. its excepted practice.

eh where does the taxpayer come into it?

As ive said, Water customers pay for it. an ironic and vicious circle
I know they don't, but they should.
OK the water customers (it's added into the rates here I think) my point being the fine just gets passed on.
I suppose if you spent millions upgrading everything your customers end up paying anyway 🤷‍♂️
 

Exfarmer

Member
Location
Bury St Edmunds
I know they don't, but they should.
OK the water customers (it's added into the rates here I think) my point being the fine just gets passed on.
I suppose if you spent millions upgrading everything your customers end up paying anyway 🤷‍♂️
You fail to recognise that in the UK the EA is both policeman and prosecutor. It chooses to prosecute where it is easy ie. Small business’s who cannot afford million's to pay barristers, and ignore the very large public corporations who not only can, but do, as it is at no cost to the bosses who run it, just the poor investors and of course customers who pay the bills
that very large fine of £2.7M recently levied on one company is peanuts and will not affect the boss‘s pay and pension one iota , You can be certain. That if they were facing 6 months jail our sewage companies would change over night.
However even worse in the eyes of so many the EA has consistently failed to follow ancient laws and statutes and some modern ones too, in so many ways which were there to ensure the rights of drainage both of those upstream and down. This has resulted in land , houses and other property being flooded and rendered completely unfit for use due to their negligence ands often deliberate planning. Further they have taken taxes from land and property owners which were raised and are paid by impress, for the actual purpose of drainage with absolutely no intent of doing so. It is no wonder we see so much venom and abuse aimed at this government body who have in the last 40 years done so much damage to both farmers and property owners, shying away from their natural duties under the pretext of preserving wildlife.
 

HatsOff

Member
Mixed Farmer
Possibly his solicitor advised him if he pleaded guilty he would be more likely to be treated leniently? No idea really though, he seemed to have the go ahead in every way except the paperwork.
Every convicted criminal in history was badly advised by their solicitor...
 

renewablejohn

Member
Location
lancs
No fella you don't get it he committed offences Many of which you keep ignoring) and pleaded guilty, I couldn't care less about your Riparian rights, and it seems his lawyers didn't either. Your problem is with the judge not me.
Perhaps you should have offered to defend him with your vast knowledge on the subject.
Yes I realise the desperation they had to secure a conviction dragging up an "offence" from 2007 of creating a dam so that he could water his spuds. The fact it was actually a mill leat which the miller would control the level of by raising or lowering the paddle of the dam in order to operate the mill in the past was irrelevant. Obviously if water was extracted for spuds then an abstraction licence would have been needed but I cannot see any mention of that so maybe he did have the licence. Funny how most legal things have a statute time limit imposed of 6 years but when it suits the courts they just ignore it.
 

Exfarmer

Member
Location
Bury St Edmunds
Yes I realise the desperation they had to secure a conviction dragging up an "offence" from 2007 of creating a dam so that he could water his spuds. The fact it was actually a mill leat which the miller would control the level of by raising or lowering the paddle of the dam in order to operate the mill in the past was irrelevant. Obviously if water was extracted for spuds then an abstraction licence would have been needed but I cannot see any mention of that so maybe he did have the licence. Funny how most legal things have a statute time limit imposed of 6 years but when it suits the courts they just ignore it.
Stute of time limits are basically about fraud and civil cases of claims rather than any other crimes
 

icanshootwell

Member
Location
Ross-on-wye
There were a lot of charges in the notes including failing to comply with a stop notice.
Did you read them?
Can't be arsed to read them again but the judge said something like he wrongly claimed he had permission, perhaps the judge lied.
Maybe you know Mr Price, I wonder why everyone is automatically taking his side and believing every word he says.

Again he pleaded guilty to the charges.
Come on JP had the kit and no how to get the job done, correctly I might add, if the EA had done the job it would of turned into the biggest spend of tax payers money, and the job would of lasted 6 months, and at the end of it all, you would not of known where they had been, because they would of been inspecting every bucket full for pond life .
 

brigadoon

Member
Location
Galloway
You have a very warped idea of how Justice works in England and of the honesty and integrity of those put in a position to ruin peoples lives. Well next time you open a bottle of wine just look at the implement your using and think what it has in common with the typical English Judge.
I have personal experience of how justice works in Scotland

Mr Price entered a guilty plea at the first opportunity - that to me implies that his legal representative told him he had no chance whatever of convincing the court that any reasonable doubt existed as to his guilt.

Not only did he fail to comply with the rules in place - he failed to heed previous warnings and ignored a stop order.

 

brigadoon

Member
Location
Galloway
Yes I realise the desperation they had to secure a conviction dragging up an "offence" from 2007 of creating a dam so that he could water his spuds. The fact it was actually a mill leat which the miller would control the level of by raising or lowering the paddle of the dam in order to operate the mill in the past was irrelevant. Obviously if water was extracted for spuds then an abstraction licence would have been needed but I cannot see any mention of that so maybe he did have the licence. Funny how most legal things have a statute time limit imposed of 6 years but when it suits the courts they just ignore it.
They did not have to "drag" anything up - Mr Price entered a guilty plea to all charges.

He was asked if he was guilty and he said yes
 

brigadoon

Member
Location
Galloway
Not really true.
It's not that he didn't follow rules, he was convicted on the basis he had not been given authority.
"He realistically concedes four things. Firstly, that by his guilty pleas he is in peril of a custodial sentence. Secondly, that by his actions, Mr Price has caused considerable damage. Thirdly, that it will take many years for this stretch of river to recover. Finally, that Mr Price knew he needed permission to carry out this work and that therefore his actions were
deliberate"

He was convicted on the basis that he pled guilty
 

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