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No food and No steel and heading for War???
Reckon soIf you look online at the photos definitely 3000 the market was full
Although and here's a thought, a Welsh Farmers Party is formed and it wins all 36 "closed book" seats .....
** Closed Book is voting for a party only not a person and PR allocates seats on that basis (as I understand it)
Hmm... fine over this side, probably a fair chance of working, can't see them getting voted in by the Valleys or Cardiff mobs though, they know they are on to a good thing with Labour.
However, IF it was to happen, it would - and I'm not taking the p!ss - have to be a non political thing... meaning a very broad church, with no radical left / right / nationalist policies, just practical and pragmatic policies. Anything else would lead to in-fighting at the first meeting.
Thinking on it, this could be a goer, if it aims not to govern, but just to hold the balance of power.
I think you’re missing the mood in wales because die hard labour voters are sick of it all, the 20mph and god knows what other nonsense coming out if there is effecting everyday life in wales for everyone.Not talking about GWJ,just in general. Drive a fendt through Port Talbot shouting that your profit could be down a few per cent and see what support you get. Tell them the Welsh Assembly is ruining your life and future the same as has happened to them and they are on your side.
I think you’re missing the mood in wales because die hard labour voters are sick of it all, the 20mph and god knows what other nonsense coming out if there is effecting everyday life in wales for everyone.
personally I’d be up for being at every welsh labour, plaid event where the mps show up and throwing eggs at the lot if them at every opportunity, give them constant sh#t making the media cover it because otherwise the media are bought off by the senedd !
The reality is, Labour are not interested in listening
The tories are engaged, but this only alienates any tribal Labour support within the Senedd further
The Plaid PR machine is going hell for leather to show it's support for farming at the moment- with Llyr Griffiths rolled out last night- meanwhile Leanne Wood and Adam Price's partnership agreement is all that props up Drakeford.
Until Plaid withdraw from this- there will be no change in the Senedd.
Plaid won't withdraw from this, until they at at risk of losing their seats- and the threat of a Plaid Amaeth at the next elections, is probably the only thing that will get them properly supporting Agriculture, and not Drakeford...
Well, I wasn't there, just repeating what my cousin said. If someone wants to do a head-count I'll not argue - I know from experience that trying to estimate crowds is a hard thing to do, without experience.If you look online at the photos definitely 3000 the market was full
Yes, but... I have worked with politicians and have friends who have been and still are in politics, from County to National level, and while I would trust some of them - as individuals - with anything, I'd not trust a party as a whole. Hand on heart I write the following with no political bias for or against any party whatsoever...It doesn't have to get anywhere near power- just close enough to threaten Plaid Cymru into being motivated into withdrawing from the partnership agreement
They hold 5 constituency seats, and 8 regionals- pretty much all in rural areas. It wouldn't take many farmers threatening to turn their votes, to make them suddenly wake up, and walk away from their position of propping up Drakeford.
Personally, I think they get a very easy ride, baby kissing and self preserving, talking a good game about supporting their rural voters, but doing all they can to pander to Labour for a sniff of the stench of power...
Well, I wasn't there, just repeating what my cousin said. If someone wants to do a head-count I'll not argue - I know from experience that trying to estimate crows is a hard thing to do without experience.
Yes, but... I have worked with politicians and have friends who have been and still are in politics, from County to National level, and while I would trust some of them - as individuals - with anything, I'd not trust a party as a whole. Hand on heart I write the following with no political bias for or against any party whatsoever...
... threats to and promises from politicians, any politicians, count for SFA, absolutely SFA, understand that, accept it, and work on that premise; if you won't, don't waste any more time on this.
If there is a momentum growing, it must be seized upon NOW, let it subside - even a little - and it will come to nothing, if it can be built upon to actually form a working movement, and if that can result in people actually being elected... well, then, and only then, will you achieve something.
Without having people in the Senedd, holding a balance of power or, at the absolute least, proving that Senedd seats can be won by people not in the mainstream / on the gravy train, you won't get what you want.
This is my truth, tell me yours...
No... all that will do is to get them to say whatever. A 'threat' will achieve SFA in real terms, only garner promises of whatever sort you want to hear at the time they see it as real, and how long are you going to plausibly sustain that...?...Long term aims are external to what's being discussed at the moment at these events- action is needed now on these issues, and realistically the only hope there is of mobilising Plaid Cymru, is the threat of making their AS redundant in 2026.
I'm not missing the mood, traditionally,a huge number of townsfolk are anti farmer especially when the subject of subsidies cones up. Subsidy in all industries to keep things going,keep people employed or to help keep consumer prices down are usually supported. When the suggestion is that the sub change will mean you are not quite as rich as you were going to be it's not going to get as much backing. Same argument,just different wordingI think you’re missing the mood in wales because die hard labour voters are sick of it all, the 20mph and god knows what other nonsense coming out if there is effecting everyday life in wales for everyone.
personally I’d be up for being at every welsh labour, plaid event where the mps show up and throwing eggs at the lot if them at every opportunity, give them constant sh#t making the media cover it because otherwise the media are bought off by the senedd !
No... all that will do is to get them to say whatever A 'threat' will achieve SFA in real terms, only garner promises of whatever sort you want to hear at the time they see it as real, and how long are you going to plausibly sustain that...?
Once elected, and threat lifted for another five years, you'll get nothing. Accept this or no, it remains fact.
Best of luck with that?Got my vote .......... and yet Rhun Ap Iorwerth, Plaid leader, is married to Peredur Hughes's (ex NFU Cymru President) daughter so is well versed in all matters agricultural. Needs to step up to the plate PDQ
Might have to email him as he's my local jobsworth
They've moved the venue to a bigger building now,due to high numbers expectedWelsh assembly sfs meeting today at RWAS Builth wells
The theme was Digon yr Digon, Enough is enough. If you manage to wade through the 71 pages of impractical Janet and John storybook farming consultation paper without screaming, well done. My wife couldn't.
There was a delayed start because of the queues to get into the parking. There were a large number of tractors in the site, most with twin beacon lighting
Nock Deighton deserve a shout out for donating the site.
The two organisers put the whole show on the road within a week. Well done.
It was striking how many young farmers or people from associated industry attended who all have a stake in the future.
I can't remember all the presentations, but the main event was a unanimous show of hands for a mandate for the organisers and others continuing to make representation in addition to that of the NFU and FUW, both of whom spoke from the floor.
Kepak's director from Merthyr laid out the contribution that Welsh meat production has to his business and the employees whose livelihoods depend on it. The impacts on many rural businesses will also lead to job losses.
There was support for the Steel workers losing their jobs because of a foreign owned company making a decision that we will have to import the steel they could still be making. In this case it's the Welsh government pressing the button to destroy the Welsh farming economy.
The NVZ proposals for all the country were condemned as disproportionate as only 8 percent of the country actually needs them.
There were calls to behave responsibly and within the law for fear that more demonstrative protest would be counter productive while the consultation is ongoing.
The local MS spoke with passionate support, but I think he has an uphill battle against the Cardiff Bay cabal.
Some young female farmers also demonstrated that it wasn't just old men in the industry.
Nigel Owens spoke well as a farmer and retired rugby referee.
At the end there was an emotional appeal from one of the organisers who had his little boy in his arms, who was going to be the next generation of farmers in his family.
We got home late.