kfpben
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- Location
- Mid Hampshire
Surely you can use SFI options in the same way, as many farmers are?
Is SFI panicking farming suppliers?
- Thread starter Scrambler
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- Location
- Moreton-in-Marsh, Glos
I think SFI and CS’s AB6 will affect the supply industry a hell of a lot more than the 15% set did.
This farm will not be replacing tractors so often. When it does, they will probably be smaller. Our 3 year arable rotation will lose Break crops and we could divide the arable land in half, alternating between Wheat and AB6 every other year..
That will have a massive effect on the supply industry. But the reality is in this case, it is CS rather than SFI.
We have already lost a lot of suppliers in this area:
West Midland Farmers and Midland Shire Farmers, joined to create Countrywide Farmers. Who disappeared about 8 years ago.
Several machinery dealers and parts suppliers: Fred Reynolds, Ingles farm machinery. PA Turney have consolidated into fewer depots. Lower Quinton Garages are now owned by Chandlers. Prices have skyrocketed!
It a hell of a job to find a Tyre company that will come out to the farm and fix a puncture here now.
SFI is only going to make it worse.
- Location
- Durham, UK
Its a sad state of affairs but its the reality. Sadly a lot of smaller farmers or their spouses, sons or daughters may have jobs within the supply industry so as a family unit they arent immiune to these buisiness going tits up.
Look at rural Canada as an example of the endgame. Other places too I expect that I have no experience of. In the last 25yrs almost all the small independent suppliers have gone. If you want a Case from Alberta to Ontario you pretty much have to deal with RME, who will tell you how it will be, and what you will pay. You want Claas/Agco it will be AgWest, Small towns that had three or four smaller dealerships will now either have nobody, or one branch of a Province-wide dealership for JD/New Holland. Driving two hours for parts is commonplace. For repairs you will get a laptop man come and diagnose problem, then likely wait for the part to be sent up from The States, or worse, Europe.
SFI isn't the cause of this, of course, it is the result of consolidation primarily of farms, and then the ruthless culling within the industries serving the farming.
It is not a good place to be buying anything or trying to get service anymore.
And the coffee and donuts that used to be on tap in the small town dealerships are history too.
SFI isn't the cause of this, of course, it is the result of consolidation primarily of farms, and then the ruthless culling within the industries serving the farming.
It is not a good place to be buying anything or trying to get service anymore.
And the coffee and donuts that used to be on tap in the small town dealerships are history too.
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i find some of those average saleries repulsive! the number of people farmer's provde a living for is incedible, no wonder thre's not much left for us!
That's not much help for those of us with small acreages who buy everything
in.
A better solution would be to neuter the supermarkets, they have far too much power.
- Location
- Ceredigion
No
Progressive farmers will carry on farming
And I've not spoken to one Welsh man yet who's sighing up for the ,what did the man on the other channel call it , Bollogau
Progressive farmers will carry on farming
And I've not spoken to one Welsh man yet who's sighing up for the ,what did the man on the other channel call it , Bollogau
- Location
- Ceredigion
Be no seed merchants left that's for sure
What was it you said
No one can touch me on price
Be no seed merchants left that's for sure
What was it you said
No one can touch me on price
see my graph above ……. change is long overdue
do we even need merchants ? do we need a high street ?
things change, and again if you refer to the graph …….. hopefully for the better ( for farmers !)
Devil's advocate
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- Location
- Posh side of Barnsley
There must be more than that?
Forestry
Rewetting peat land
Payments for heather
Payments for destocking & payments for restocking.
Grass left to seed for birds.
Drystone walls 27p per metre for having them £31.80 per metre for restoring them.
Nurtient mangement plan
Soil mangement plan
Carbon credits from Manchester airport.
Locally we are getting adverts for Farmers who have ideas to reduce flooding in Sheffield to come forward, there is supposed to be millions for that.
I'm not having a go & I do agree it is daft, but there must be something.
- Location
- Ceredigion
Your a merchant unless your offering your services for free
Isn't that what happened in NZ when subs went
livestock 1
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The only other payment I know of is for destocking but that takes away from the existing income
The only use for moorland here is sheep that’s what they require us to take away to claim it not good
Married 2 The Mob
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- Location
- E. Midlands
You are correct in pointing out that farmers support a large population of supplier employees.i find some of those average saleries repulsive! the number of people farmer's provde a living for is incedible, no wonder thre's not much left for us!
But you're looking down the wrong end of the telescope regarding the repulsive salaries comment. It's farming returns and wages that are way out of kilter.
Cab-over Pete
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- Location
- Kenilworth, Warwickshire
I find these threads, and we get them regularly, both amusing and insulting in equal measure.
Whilst some of you are quite insistent that “merchants”, in all their various shapes and guises, are nothing but money grabbing, blood sucking barstewards who leech off the backs of the poor, hard done to farmer, you conveniently forget that you’ve had to make next to no effort whatsoever to buy, say, a tractor. Or animal feed. Or fertiliser. Or for that matter lime, in my own case.
You have not had to organise haulage for any of these things, nor have you had to speak to massive, multinational companies to organise these things. You haven’t had to negotiate buying hundreds of thousands of tonnes of commodities and risk huge price drops and being left with expensive stocks.
You’ve had to make a phone call. Or maybe send an email. Yet all the rest of the work it takes to get a tonne of fertiliser down your farm drive you expect for f**k all.
Wake up. These companies are not farming companies. No more than Wrangler Jeans are. Or The Ford Motor Company. Or Nestle. They supply you so they can make money.
And they can do that because they set their price and you pay it. You don’t have to but you’ll soon run out of everything you need if you don’t.
Let’s not forget, if you could grow a tonne of wheat for £120 and someone offered you £220 for it, you would take it. You wouldn’t give a toss about the protestations of the consumer, or the starving hoards in some far off country. You would take it, because you can.
Nobody forces you to farm. Nobody holds a gun to your head and makes you buy a tractor from a dealer or manufacturer. If you don’t like it, feck off the land and let someone else have a chance.
One of the the things that pisses me off most in life is some whinging 3rd/4th generation farmer who sees the farm that his dad and grandad mauled their balls off to buy as just a millstone around their neck. Fact is, they can’t be arsed to make any effort and are lazy. That’s what they become when they’ve been given it all on a plate with no rent, no mortgage and no risk.
Yet these “farmers” will still moan about everything bloody thing in life and how the whole world is against them.
Just accept that everyone needs to make a living. Some people like to make real money. The hard done to farmer would do exactly that if they could. It’s nobody else’s fault that the farmer is in a tricky position. Many, many people that supply farmers work hard too, with time away from home, long hours, huge pressure, high financial risk and sometimes in dangerous situations. And they can’t all wander into the house for breakfast or decide they’ll go and pick the kids up from school today.
You need the suppliers. They need you. If the whingers among you are dying to see your suppliers fail then I hope you’re applying the same “logic” to the suppliers of your clothes, cars, holidays, concrete, heating oil etc, etc, etc,etc until everyone has gone who makes a penny from you. And if you’ve diversified and are making money from paying customers I hope you feel bad about that. Taking money (for instance) off a young family who would like to stay near the coast for one week of the year with their kids?? You should feel bad about that, surely?
Some of you just talk a load of bloody shite. Either farm or bugger off and stop trying to drag others down to your level.
Whilst some of you are quite insistent that “merchants”, in all their various shapes and guises, are nothing but money grabbing, blood sucking barstewards who leech off the backs of the poor, hard done to farmer, you conveniently forget that you’ve had to make next to no effort whatsoever to buy, say, a tractor. Or animal feed. Or fertiliser. Or for that matter lime, in my own case.
You have not had to organise haulage for any of these things, nor have you had to speak to massive, multinational companies to organise these things. You haven’t had to negotiate buying hundreds of thousands of tonnes of commodities and risk huge price drops and being left with expensive stocks.
You’ve had to make a phone call. Or maybe send an email. Yet all the rest of the work it takes to get a tonne of fertiliser down your farm drive you expect for f**k all.
Wake up. These companies are not farming companies. No more than Wrangler Jeans are. Or The Ford Motor Company. Or Nestle. They supply you so they can make money.
And they can do that because they set their price and you pay it. You don’t have to but you’ll soon run out of everything you need if you don’t.
Let’s not forget, if you could grow a tonne of wheat for £120 and someone offered you £220 for it, you would take it. You wouldn’t give a toss about the protestations of the consumer, or the starving hoards in some far off country. You would take it, because you can.
Nobody forces you to farm. Nobody holds a gun to your head and makes you buy a tractor from a dealer or manufacturer. If you don’t like it, feck off the land and let someone else have a chance.
One of the the things that pisses me off most in life is some whinging 3rd/4th generation farmer who sees the farm that his dad and grandad mauled their balls off to buy as just a millstone around their neck. Fact is, they can’t be arsed to make any effort and are lazy. That’s what they become when they’ve been given it all on a plate with no rent, no mortgage and no risk.
Yet these “farmers” will still moan about everything bloody thing in life and how the whole world is against them.
Just accept that everyone needs to make a living. Some people like to make real money. The hard done to farmer would do exactly that if they could. It’s nobody else’s fault that the farmer is in a tricky position. Many, many people that supply farmers work hard too, with time away from home, long hours, huge pressure, high financial risk and sometimes in dangerous situations. And they can’t all wander into the house for breakfast or decide they’ll go and pick the kids up from school today.
You need the suppliers. They need you. If the whingers among you are dying to see your suppliers fail then I hope you’re applying the same “logic” to the suppliers of your clothes, cars, holidays, concrete, heating oil etc, etc, etc,etc until everyone has gone who makes a penny from you. And if you’ve diversified and are making money from paying customers I hope you feel bad about that. Taking money (for instance) off a young family who would like to stay near the coast for one week of the year with their kids?? You should feel bad about that, surely?
Some of you just talk a load of bloody shite. Either farm or bugger off and stop trying to drag others down to your level.
lloyd
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- Location
- Herefordshire
Oh dear somebody is having a bad day.
Thought fencing supplies would be ok with all the granted fencing ?
Cab-over Pete
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- Location
- Kenilworth, Warwickshire
No, had a good day @lloyd
I’m expecting the usual “mind your own business, you’re not even a farmer “ replies and PMs.
Some on here need to realise that for every business making a fair return from their farmer customers, there are many who are working every bit as hard as they are and making sod all.
I’m expecting the usual “mind your own business, you’re not even a farmer “ replies and PMs.
Some on here need to realise that for every business making a fair return from their farmer customers, there are many who are working every bit as hard as they are and making sod all.