Red Tractor Officially Scrap The GFC

Charles.

Member
Arable Farmer
Can the next immediate target please be to get RT to make an exception and let us use unprotected urea at least until the end of April as a one off derogation? It’s not like it’s been exceptionally wet is it? As per FW defra insist they won’t help us, but surely since defra have given (how that was allowed I’ll never know) the policing of it to RT we can get them to give the derogation? Sorry @Grass And Grain another little job for you but it’s really getting rather urgent……
Also it’s not like most of the imported cereals will have used unprotected urea all through their growth
Another reason to get out of RT, testing sprayers every year instead of three, farm inspectors telling you how to run and present your own farm etc.
Both GFC and standalone RT are barriers to market access and are deliberate control of farmers imho, and NFU, DEFRA, AIC mills, flour millers etc. use it to control us. If any of those organisations want something from us they put it in the "voluntary" Red Tractor, but then make RT compulsory of we want to supply to those mills.

NRoSO = theoretically voluntary, but they've made it mandatory through RT.

DEFRA urea policy, it's not the law, but DEFRA/NFU/RT have basically made it mandatory for any sizeable cereal growers
because they know we have to be RT assured.

Gov also use RT as a free inspection service, and the farmer pays

Mills didn't think 36 mth sprayer testing was good enough, and they could get 12 mth for free using RT.

I recon even DEFRA were pushing for the GFC because they could get 5% environmental habitat, and low behold that would have meant more uptake of SFI and more net zero boxes ticked.

Thankfully NFU probably thought they'd lose even more members if GFC went ahead, so they put the NFU's future before the GFC. Many people commented the only way to get change was to hurt these organisations in their wallets. It worked. NFU either had to end the GFC, or end of the NFU was looming imho.

Everything which was going to be wrong with the GFC (in a really dramatic way), is also wrong with RT's core standards. Lots of it is unnecessary claptrap, we have to pay to join, we have to pay to do the things they tell us, they won't let us sell our produce unless we're in RT, and then they add in any new rules they're wanting us to follow....

....urea policing is a pertinent example, and was the first emissions reductions action they got us to do through RT. And farmers have had to carry the cost of it, whilst the large processors and retailers got the free emissions reduction.
Precisely. They force their monetary gain agendas on us via RT which equates to ever decreasing farmer income and ever increasing workload.
 
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Charles.

Member
Arable Farmer
From Christine Tacon, today:


Dear Red Tractor Member,
In this edition of Member Matters, we address the cancellation of the Greener Farms Commitment and the important updates regarding new rules on urea use and our licensing activities.

Last week we announced that we are dropping the Greener Farms Commitment module (GFC), following feedback from Red Tractor members. The module was developed to help farmers such as you, processors and retailers meet the growing need for all to demonstrate sustainability, but in a single, practical and consistent way.

However, having taken on board the concerns about the impact the GFC would have on many farmers across the UK, the AFS Board of Red Tractor have agreed to discontinue the module. While the module had been conceived with the best of intentions, errors had been made.

We take responsibility for those issues and are sorry. We hope that by dropping the module, we can close the door on this chapter and move forward. We will only be involved in future environmental standards when all constituencies across the UK food and farming chain, by sector, ask us to and with full consultation.

The Board also accepted the conclusions of the Campbell Tickell review of Red Tractor's governance and confirmed its commitment to implement all the recommendations.

Whilst the review found that ‘Red Tractor governance is sound’, it also sent a clear message about the frustration many of you are feeling. We will act now to improve our communications to you, including the transparency of our operations, purpose and benefits and we will strengthen our stakeholder engagement.

We will listen more closely to you. For example, Red Tractor has previously found that transparency, audit burden and value are farmers’ top concerns with Red Tractor. Significant efforts are already underway to tackle these, which you will hear more about in the next few months.

Dive into Member Matters:




click here to download a PDF version of Member Matters

Best wishes,

Christine Tacon, Red Tractor Chair

Love the bit stating the the GFC was developed to 'help farmers'. Rubbish. It was a leg up to the processors and retailers to help them meet their Scope 3 emissions target.
Nothing more, nothing less, and as Dave Lewis told The Grocer mag in november, they (processors / retailers) may need government legislation to help achieve this aim.
If Tacon, Moseley and co were legitimate, they would actively stop farmers being forced against their will into a supposedly voluntary farm assurance scheme but they don't because they are corrupted by lining their own pockets with money.
 

Grass And Grain

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Yorks
Yes, it's illegal for AIC governed UFAS mills and BRC members to demand UK farm assured food while rejecting UK trade assured food produced legally under UK law despite buying imported trade assured food if that, often produced illegally under UK law.

While the majority of farmers are illegally forced against their will into farm assurance level schemes, you can forget about premiums. The farmer must have the legal right to choose how to sell their produce, whether farm assured, trade assured, possibly no assurance or sell direct to consumer. Only then will there be any chance of a premium for farm assurance level. However Batters has said BRC members won't pay a premium, why would they pay a premium when they can import food cheaply.

Tough luck on the mills and merchants when you must legally accept UK trade assured produce when you import trade assured produce. Most mills and merchants probably aren't going to put up with this and so will ditch AIC UFAS.

RT, AIC and BRC members don't want the illegal forcing of farmers into farm assured schemes to stop because it's all about the money. It's a a good start stalling GFC, but we must fight for our legal right to sell our food how we see fit which includes no discount for UK food compared to imported food prices. In the absence of legal advice, it's common sense it's wrong, we must not be forced into RT which equates to ever decreasing farm income and ever increasing workload, nor forced into WWF,GFC and other BRC members agendas.

I don't see why we can't sell our produce with the disappearance of RT and AIC, we managed before they came into being. I don't trust RT or AIC, they invent their own food standards, you've pointed out it's 600:1 dilution rate in imported grain and therefore it's fixed, you wouldn't think that from this AIC video, meticulous quality standards my arse
.

AIC and probably BRC members, are overdoing the quality standards, probably lying, to dissuade UK farmers selling at imported trade assured standard rather than farm assured standard. RT and AIC are like excessive red tape in health and safety, hitting business profits and damaging the economy, while trying to invent they have a real purpose despite the fact we managed without them beforehand. AIC and RT truly are jobs for the boys, purely after the money.

The battle is won when we have the choice at will, to dip in and out of the various routes to sell our produce.

It would not be legal for stakeholders to collude to make sure there was only ever one assurance option/operator. It would be deliberately preventing competition and would be illegal if it were happening. Not just a little bit illegal. Very illegal afaik.
 

Bramble

Member
But Andrew Blenkiron, director at Euston Estate in Suffolk, said he was “disappointed” by the decision.

“Given that the industry doesn’t seem to want to prove its green credentials to its customers, I fully understand the reasoning behind the Red Tractor decision,” he said.
Given that the government has just seriously slashed its premier environmental scheme, SFI, should we even be bothering about our green credentials??

Neither government policy or market forces seem to know what they want, or are willing, to pay for now there is no subsidy safety net.

On a farm level the message seems to be do nothing (a choice of lose money producing food or environmental schemes that don’t pay well enough to bother with), put the business into hibernation and get another job
 

Humble Village Farmer

Member
BASE UK Member
Location
Essex
Given that the government has just seriously slashed its premier environmental scheme, SFI, should we even be bothering about our green credentials??

Neither government policy or market forces seem to know what they want, or are willing, to pay for now there is no subsidy safety net.

On a farm level the message seems to be do nothing (a choice of lose money producing food or environmental schemes that don’t pay well enough to bother with), put the business into hibernation and get another job
Yes, he goes on about food security without addressing the lack of incentives to grow it.
 

Hay Maker

Member
Arable Farmer
Yes, it's illegal for AIC governed UFAS mills and BRC members to demand UK farm assured food while rejecting UK trade assured food produced legally under UK law despite buying imported trade assured food if that, often produced illegally under UK law.

While the majority of farmers are illegally forced against their will into farm assurance level schemes, you can forget about premiums. The farmer must have the legal right to choose how to sell their produce, whether farm assured, trade assured, possibly no assurance or sell direct to consumer. Only then will there be any chance of a premium for farm assurance level. However Batters has said BRC members won't pay a premium, why would they pay a premium when they can import food cheaply.

Tough luck on the mills and merchants when you must legally accept UK trade assured produce when you import trade assured produce. Most mills and merchants probably aren't going to put up with this and so will ditch AIC UFAS.

RT, AIC and BRC members don't want the illegal forcing of farmers into farm assured schemes to stop because it's all about the money. It's a a good start stalling GFC, but we must fight for our legal right to sell our food how we see fit which includes no discount for UK food compared to imported food prices. In the absence of legal advice, it's common sense it's wrong, we must not be forced into RT which equates to ever decreasing farm income and ever increasing workload, nor forced into WWF,GFC and other BRC members agendas.

I don't see why we can't sell our produce with the disappearance of RT and AIC, we managed before they came into being. I don't trust RT or AIC, they invent their own food standards, you've pointed out it's 600:1 dilution rate in imported grain and therefore it's fixed, you wouldn't think that from this AIC video, meticulous quality standards my arse
.

AIC and probably BRC members, are overdoing the quality standards, probably lying, to dissuade UK farmers selling at imported trade assured standard rather than farm assured standard. RT and AIC are like excessive red tape in health and safety, hitting business profits and damaging the economy, while trying to invent they have a real purpose despite the fact we managed without them beforehand. AIC and RT truly are jobs for the boys, purely after the money.

The battle is won when we have the choice at will, to dip in and out of the various routes to sell our produce.
That AIC video is total bull sh!t as many of the tests outlined in it take many weeks to perform in specialist laboratories which do not exist in any importers facilities.
 

snarling bee

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Bedfordshire
Blenky is not happy though

From 'The Independant':
But Andrew Blenkiron, director at Euston Estate in Suffolk, said he was “disappointed” by the decision. “Given that the industry doesn’t seem to want to prove its green credentials to its customers, I fully understand the reasoning behind the Red Tractor decision,” he said.

He doesn't get it does he.
 

ajd132

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Suffolk
Blenky is not happy though

From 'The Independant':
But Andrew Blenkiron, director at Euston Estate in Suffolk, said he was “disappointed” by the decision. “Given that the industry doesn’t seem to want to prove its green credentials to its customers, I fully understand the reasoning behind the Red Tractor decision,” he said.

He doesn't get it does he.
It’s a pretty underhand comment from him.
 

yellowbelly

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
N.Lincs
Blenky is not happy though

From 'The Independant':
But Andrew Blenkiron, director at Euston Estate in Suffolk, said he was “disappointed” by the decision. “Given that the industry doesn’t seem to want to prove its green credentials to its customers, I fully understand the reasoning behind the Red Tractor decision,” he said.

He doesn't get it does he.
He's a passenger on the mighty gravy train.
He has to keep sucking up to those organisations, that occasionally have well paid vacancies on their boards, in order to move up from the carriage he's in to a better class one, the next time that train calls at a station, so they can all change places.
 

slackjawedyokel

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Northumberland
I know this is preaching to the converted but…
UKAG is NOT averse to improving its green credentials IF there is a premium for meeting targets that are above minimum legal standards.

If there is zero premium then why would we want to do that? Businesses rarely provide premium products for standard prices.

IF there is a(n ongoing) premium for these premium products then let’s have a conversation with retailers about the size of the premium and how that premium will be assured into the future.

Everything’s for sale at a price. GFC was about retailers helping themselves out of our back door.
 
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Grass And Grain

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Yorks
Blenky is not happy though

From 'The Independant':
But Andrew Blenkiron, director at Euston Estate in Suffolk, said he was “disappointed” by the decision. “Given that the industry doesn’t seem to want to prove its green credentials to its customers, I fully understand the reasoning behind the Red Tractor decision,” he said.

He doesn't get it does he.
Seems like sour grapes and out of touch with 95% of farmers, but still doesn't want to listen to that 95%.

He used to represent farmers on one of the RT boards. No wonder RT got into the monopolistic position they now command. This has been our entire problem. RT in total control of the assurance market.

imho I understand the argument for a single assurance brand, but think this has given RT the power which has turned farmers against it. RT has been so successful and thus dominant, that it's become generic, therefore hasn't been able to give us a price premium.

Not only that, but on the whole it doesn't do anything much different to checks from the authorities, but we get an annual invoice for the privilege.
 

Grass And Grain

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Yorks
I know this is preaching to the converted but…
UKAG is NOT averse to improving its green credentials IF there is a premium for meeting targets that are above minimum legal standards.

If there is zero premium then why would we want to do that? Businesses rarely provide premium products for big standard prices.

IF there is a(n ongoing) premium for these premium products then let’s have a conversation with retailers about the size of the premium and how that premium will be assured into the future.

Everything’s for sale at a price. GFC was about retailers helping themselves out of our back door.
imho we'd need a pledge that retailers would happily purchase standard product (hurts me to say this, but let's think of that as Version 5 basic RT assured), but also purchase GFC green type module produce.

This way the farmer has a choice. Sell standard produce or green assured produce. Then the supermarkets would need to offer sufficient price premiums for the green module in perpetuity.

Supermarkets won't want this. They'll want us to do green things for free. Hence they wanted the GFC.
 
Blenky is not happy though

From 'The Independant':
But Andrew Blenkiron, director at Euston Estate in Suffolk, said he was “disappointed” by the decision. “Given that the industry doesn’t seem to want to prove its green credentials to its customers, I fully understand the reasoning behind the Red Tractor decision,” he said.

He doesn't get it does he.

As others have said he's not really a farmer he's an office boy for an estate with a diversification of getting himself on "boards"

I'm happy to prove some green credentials but the market needs to value it and pay me for it, no one is asking Blenkys of the world to advocate gifting this away. Twerp
 

Flat 10

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Fen Edge
Blenky is not happy though

From 'The Independant':
But Andrew Blenkiron, director at Euston Estate in Suffolk, said he was “disappointed” by the decision. “Given that the industry doesn’t seem to want to prove its green credentials to its customers, I fully understand the reasoning behind the Red Tractor decision,” he said.

He doesn't get it does he.
Lashing out at the “backstabbers”. Not surprising really but just confirms my impression was correct.
 

Bramble

Member
Blenky is not happy though

From 'The Independant':
But Andrew Blenkiron, director at Euston Estate in Suffolk, said he was “disappointed” by the decision. “Given that the industry doesn’t seem to want to prove its green credentials to its customers, I fully understand the reasoning behind the Red Tractor decision,” he said.

He doesn't get it does he.
Given that government policy has just done a complete U turn regarding their green credentials, with their limits to SFI, I would suggest that it is becoming clearer that no one actually wants to pay for greening.

Either it’s important, has a value and someone has to pay for it, or it doesn’t. The message from farmers is that you arent getting it for nothing
 

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