SFI - What % have or where you going to taking out of production?

SFI - What % have or where you taking out of production?

  • 0 %

    Votes: 105 40.5%
  • Up to 25%

    Votes: 94 36.3%
  • 25-50%

    Votes: 39 15.1%
  • 50-75%

    Votes: 5 1.9%
  • 75-100%

    Votes: 3 1.2%
  • 100% I’ve had enough of farming!

    Votes: 13 5.0%

  • Total voters
    259

Bury the Trash

Member
Mixed Farmer
Also why haven’t you applied yet?
Maybe Not applied because they aren't good at paperwork not happy enough to hire an agent ,don't know who to ask for help otherwise/ have asked for it to no avail yet.

... as the smartest kids in class at school all cockily finished and one or 2 others left not understanding much of it and getting left behind.
Same old Same nothing changes .
 

Phil P

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
North West
Maybe Not applied because they aren't good at paperwork not happy enough to hire an agent ,don't know who to ask for help otherwise/ have asked for it to no avail yet.

... as the smartest kids in class at school all cockily finished and one or 2 others left not understanding much of it and getting left behind.
Same old Same nothing changes .
The question wasn’t meant to be patronising in any way, I’m genuinely curious as to what is holding people back from applying at this point if they intend to do so? I’m aware there are more options to come later in the year and I was hesitant myself but after speaking to a few that have applied I had a feeling some restrictions could be on the way! I know a couple who have put 100% of their eligible land into AHL2.
However, on the other hand, SFI has been shoved down our throats now for what? 3 years or more? DEFRA have been saying over and over how they’re giving our funding to advisors to help with the paperwork (whether we want an advisor or not) so may as well make use of them at no cost to yourself.
You can only do so much for people!
 

DrWazzock

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
The question wasn’t meant to be patronising in any way, I’m genuinely curious as to what is holding people back from applying at this point if they intend to do so? I’m aware there are more options to come later in the year and I was hesitant myself but after speaking to a few that have applied I had a feeling some restrictions could be on the way! I know a couple who have put 100% of their eligible land into AHL2.
However, on the other hand, SFI has been shoved down our throats now for what? 3 years or more? DEFRA have been saying over and over how they’re giving our funding to advisors to help with the paperwork (whether we want an advisor or not) so may as well make use of them at no cost to yourself.
You can only do so much for people!
As I’ve said before I don’t need a nutrient planning adviser. We have a simple system, arable, sheep, no manure stored and spread. But I’ve hired an adviser in preparation for SFI. He’s a good guy, professional, but his plan doesn’t really fit our enterprise so it’s a waste of £500 of taxpayers money for starters and a bit of fly in the ointment if we are inspected. We have an agronomist but I consider the IPM a bit of a joke. There’s a cost in these items to ourselves in messing about with them rather than just cracking on. All the advisers have added is cost and confusion, more paperwork, for no benefit. That’s the reality of it. And just because somebody has a FACTS number or a BASIS number doesn’t actually mean they are competent either : they don’t know your farm or its history, what works and what doesn’t. It’s farming by numbers and computer generated plans. There isn’t a lot of real knowledge behind it from what I’ve seen.
 

DrWazzock

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
Similar with soil tests. There are about a dozen different types of test depending on detail. Just getting paid to do “a soil test” is ridiculous. Is it targeted? Is it worthwhile when we can extrapolate from 40 years of data? There’s little intelligent joining all these pick and mix options up.
No, I think I’ll just carry on cropping under my own steam, plain and simple.
 

DrWazzock

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
I'd hate to go shopping for ties with you Doc. It must take hours.
Well it does when people keep changing the stock on display.
I’m down to herbal leys now. Maybe an arable fallow legume ley. Nothing much else would work here. Bird mix and pollinator mix wouldn’t be great to establish and would likely get full of weeds here. It’s great reading the seed catalogues but on the ground things can be challenging here at the best of times with robust crops like cereals. Fancy seeds? I dunno.
 

DrWazzock

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
I’ve 80 acres wheat, 25 acres winter barley and 25 acres 50% failure OSR on the arable this year. All I really need is 25 acres arable legume fallow to follow the barley. Winter barley can follow the wheat. Wheat can follow the OSR. We might try a herbal ley on 8 acres of grass that didn’t take well last year. We aren’t really that keen on upping sheep numbers.
Cereal seed hime saved, cheap and cheerful I reckon I can do better than birdseed. I’ve enjoyed top dressing the crops this spring, sick as some areas appear. Bird seed etc just doesn’t float my boat. There’s a plethora of other options : direct drilling, no insecticide etc, but do I want to tie myself up? Not really.
 

topground

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
North Somerset.
Handed to me free at the Bears Northampton game last Friday..
Sowing them will be as close as I get to SFI.
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Phil P

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
North West
As I’ve said before I don’t need a nutrient planning adviser. We have a simple system, arable, sheep, no manure stored and spread. But I’ve hired an adviser in preparation for SFI. He’s a good guy, professional, but his plan doesn’t really fit our enterprise so it’s a waste of £500 of taxpayers money for starters and a bit of fly in the ointment if we are inspected. We have an agronomist but I consider the IPM a bit of a joke. There’s a cost in these items to ourselves in messing about with them rather than just cracking on. All the advisers have added is cost and confusion, more paperwork, for no benefit. That’s the reality of it. And just because somebody has a FACTS number or a BASIS number doesn’t actually mean they are competent either : they don’t know your farm or its history, what works and what doesn’t. It’s farming by numbers and computer generated plans. There isn’t a lot of real knowledge behind it from what I’ve seen.
It does help to have read the sfi options and at least have an I’d of what you want to do before speaking to an advisor. They won’t know your farm/land so bit like expecting them to pull a rabbit out of hat expecting them to know what will work for you. They are however very useful for ticking the right boxes and if/when there’s a problem getting them to sort it as that’s the time you can spend doing what you need to do.
As always it’s a lot of box ticking paper work but probably 70-80% overlaps with paper work you already need for crop assurance! However if I remember right you’re no longer with RT?
It’s a lot easier if you’re already doing things like IPM, NMP, ETC ETC.
 

4course

Member
Location
north yorks
As I’ve said before I don’t need a nutrient planning adviser. We have a simple system, arable, sheep, no manure stored and spread. But I’ve hired an adviser in preparation for SFI. He’s a good guy, professional, but his plan doesn’t really fit our enterprise so it’s a waste of £500 of taxpayers money for starters and a bit of fly in the ointment if we are inspected. We have an agronomist but I consider the IPM a bit of a joke. There’s a cost in these items to ourselves in messing about with them rather than just cracking on. All the advisers have added is cost and confusion, more paperwork, for no benefit. That’s the reality of it. And just because somebody has a FACTS number or a BASIS number doesn’t actually mean they are competent either : they don’t know your farm or its history, what works and what doesn’t. It’s farming by numbers and computer generated plans. There isn’t a lot of real knowledge behind it from what I’ve seen.
not wishing to offend those advisors but im of the view along with that old expression those that can do those that cant teach ,however im quite happy to occassionally seek advice if Idont understand/ grasp something or to keep up to date . Wether I reject use or simply carry on in my own sweet way is up to me . I oft use the phrase" grandad said " on here in reality not so much grandad but the older successful experienced guys are the ones I listen to problem is im now becoming one of them in age terms so there is no fecker left to ask .ho ho
 

DrWazzock

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
not wishing to offend those advisors but im of the view along with that old expression those that can do those that cant teach ,however im quite happy to occassionally seek advice if Idont understand/ grasp something or to keep up to date . Wether I reject use or simply carry on in my own sweet way is up to me . I oft use the phrase" grandad said " on here in reality not so much grandad but the older successful experienced guys are the ones I listen to problem is im now becoming one of them in age terms so there is no fecker left to ask .ho ho
The problem is you pay for a plan as required but it isn’t what you want to read or do. You’ve then bought yourself a problem as far as the inspection goes. If you do your own plan and enact it then it’s simple and the EA has never complained about ours.
 

farmerm

Member
Location
Shropshire
Well it does when people keep changing the stock on display.
I’m down to herbal leys now. Maybe an arable fallow legume ley. Nothing much else would work here. Bird mix and pollinator mix wouldn’t be great to establish and would likely get full of weeds here. It’s great reading the seed catalogues but on the ground things can be challenging here at the best of times with robust crops like cereals. Fancy seeds? I dunno.
Weeds are just free seeds ;)
 

Bury the Trash

Member
Mixed Farmer
wise to have aplied

because already got money in the bank
delaying just reduces income
wise to have aplied

because already got money in the bank
delaying just reduces income
Not wise if you were like us with very small amount of arable and hedge that need trimming in the dry early.
More unwise would be for us to spoil it for the young people we have here who want to actually do things not just stand and look at a bird seed field.
Signing up to dubious longterm agreements

If I were an old enough to retire bactchelor with no sons daughters nephews and nieces I might see and act with a different wisdom
 
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4course

Member
Location
north yorks
Not wise if you were like us with very small amount of arable and hedge that need trimming in the dry early.
More unwise would be for us to spoil it for the young people we have here who want to actually do things not just stand and look at a bird seed field.
Signing up to dubious longterm agreements

If I were an old enough to retire bactchelor with no sons daughters nephews and nieces I might see and act with a different wisdom
Each to their own but not so sure it should be totally discounted if the circumstances fit, and can be worked with. I too have followers the agreement is for 3 years now only 2.5 left which isnt even a rotation in farming terms and their wage is coming in and very little sfi caused reduction in farm produce output but it took a mindset change on my behalf to engage ,
Now got to go load the urea so it can be spread today before the cut off and this has caused more hassle/stress and concern than sfi this last month or so,cheers
 

Bury the Trash

Member
Mixed Farmer
Each to their own but not so sure it should be totally discounted if the circumstances fit, and can be worked with. I too have followers the agreement is for 3 years now only 2.5 left which isnt even a rotation in farming terms and their wage is coming in and very little sfi caused reduction in farm produce output but it took a mindset change on my behalf to engage ,
Now got to go load the urea so it can be spread today before the cut off and this has caused more hassle/stress and concern than sfi this last month or so,cheers
I'm quite able to change my mindset, have done so in the past with buffer strips set-aside els hedgrow management etc and very biggest one by far in the above mentioned solar, but coincidentally which we can still graze with sheep so we are still farming it.
I will get our application in as and when I'm happy and not before, if someone cares to help sooner then it will go in sooner but no I'm jack of all trades atm.
2inches of snow here over night means nothing other than stock feeding today.
and that's fine too .
Ciao.
 
Not wise if you were like us with very small amount of arable and hedge that need trimming in the dry early.
More unwise would be for us to spoil it for the young people we have here who want to actually do things not just stand and look at a bird seed field.
Signing up to dubious longterm agreements

If I were an old enough to retire bactchelor with no sons daughters nephews and nieces I might see and act with a different wisdom
hedgrow money for what we got from bps
ipm for what any good farmer has been doing for years
nutrient management same
application payment for management time

my whole farming carrier has had restricted production since 1984
milk quotas ,sugar beet quotas coresponsabilty levy setaside ect

if you look back in history there has been govenment involvement in farming since the 18 century

we just have to adapt to the rules
the weather is still the biggest influence on any farm
 

SFI - What % were you taking out of production?

  • 0 %

    Votes: 105 40.5%
  • Up to 25%

    Votes: 94 36.3%
  • 25-50%

    Votes: 39 15.1%
  • 50-75%

    Votes: 5 1.9%
  • 75-100%

    Votes: 3 1.2%
  • 100% I’ve had enough of farming!

    Votes: 13 5.0%

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