SFI - What % have or where you going to taking out of production?

[Bury the Trash]

I suppose that would depend in whether you wanted to take more than 25% of your land out of production or not

What genuine farmer would want to ?
Only about that amount is suitable for viable arable on ours anyway and that's where the money is not on perm grassland which is what ours is mainly.
So 25 % would be complimentary not spoil anything , wise not greedy maybe.

Time for a cj me me I think.

 

[Huno]

What genuine farmer would want to ?

Time for a cj me me I think.

A farmer with a business mind would consider it??

 

[farmerm]

10% bird seed, hedges, soil sampling, NUM1 and IPM1 gets me to ⅔ of my BPS money without adding any other sexy bits.

gross or net... after seed costs and that 10% out of production is that worth more like 1/3 of your 2020 BPS?

 

[farmerm]

0% as can not join as in Cs...

Nothing about CS bars one from also having SFI, unless you already have every acre in a CS option?

 

[Bury the Trash]

Overindulgence always did spoil any scheme thatsbeen ,

People.are people and need rules to keep them in check some always spoil it for others , some always have too much and othersnot enough

Need not greed.

Admin as ever is key and will be exceedingly difficult ,...as ever.

 

[gone up the hill]

You only have to limit it to 25% of the area, not each field.

Are you sure that is correct for all the options they have now capped at 25% of land area?

As there was some new guidance posted on here late on Monday that suggested otherwise but the way they keep changing the rules aka make it up as they go along on a daily basis who can be sure what the latest version of the rules is!

 

[Huno]

25% of total farm area and you could do a selection of all 6 SFI options on any parcels if you were desperate enough

 

[Huno]

A bit like CS!!

 

[Vader]

Nothing about CS bars one from also having SFI, unless you already have every acre in a CS option?

The few options I can do, not worth it on their own. But can not get the good ones as cs stops them.
Even rpa bloke who looked at my case said hardly worth starting sfi.
Ssid may as well wait untill can switch over. Which they said July... but probably that will fall through..

 

[Humble Village Farmer]

Are you sure that is correct for all the options they have now capped at 25% of land area?

As there was some new guidance posted on here late on Monday that suggested otherwise but the way they keep changing the rules aka make it up as they go along on a daily basis who can be sure what the latest version of the rules is!

It's my interpretation and what I will be doing. I'm not advising anyone.

 

[D. Ian Kidson]

The latest "amendments" to sfi are a distinct variation from previous Agricultural incentives ....

It seems that the government is no longer going to incentivise food production with the odd "carrot" but will be resorting to the "stick" method instead .....

This approach well and truly tells English farmers where they lie in the Government priorities...

 

[Huno]

The few options I can do, not worth it on their own. But can not get the good ones as cs stops them.
Even rpa bloke who looked at my case said hardly worth starting sfi.
Ssid may as well wait untill can switch over. Which they said July... but probably that will fall through..

No one ever said you could cancel CS and enter SFI... not once was that promised in the last 3 yrs by DEFRA.. It might not be fair but SFI is not fair is it??

 

[Huno]

The latest "amendments" to sfi are a distinct variation from previous Agricultural incentives ....

It seems that the government is no longer going to incentivise food production with the odd "carrot" but will be resorting to the "stick" method instead .....

This approach well and truly tells English farmers where they lie in the Government priorities...

They were planning a stick from day 1 but just needed lots of people to enter their nets..
15,000 are in their SFI net and at least 30,000 trapped in the CS /HLS lobster pots.. now they can haul their catch on board and smack each 1 with the dispatching stick..
Fair call

 

[farmerm]

No one ever said you could cancel CS and enter SFI... not once was that promised in the last 3 yrs by DEFRA.. It might not be fair but SFI is not fair is it??

As I recall.. They did say those that had existing CS would not be unfairly penalised. They did say those with existing CS would be able to transfer to SFI providing they maintained or increased the areas they delivered for the equivalent options.

 

[Huno]

As I recall.. They did say those that had existing CS would not be unfairly penalised. They did say those with existing CS would be able to transfer to SFI providing they maintained or increased the areas they delivered for the equivalent options.

And you trusted them? Ok... well lets see whether they keep their promise on that and let those who want to deliver more deliver it? Or will they just CAP CS too? Why not...

 

[farmerm]

And you trusted them? Ok... well lets see whether they keep their promise on that and let those who want to deliver more deliver it? Or will they just CAP CS too? Why not...

Trust them, of course not, but at the same time one can only make decisions based on the best information available. As it happens neither of those promises impacted my decision making though they will affect others. Governments can change their minds on pretty much any thing at any time!!

 

[Phil P]

What genuine farmer would want to ?

Any farmer who’s in business to make money and not run a hobby! If it’s more profitable to enter + 25% of your land into a scheme than it is grow crops for a market that doesn’t want them then that’s what i’ll do.

So 25 % would be complimentary not spoil anything , wise not greedy maybe.

Why is it greedy? When the scheme was opened there was no limits imposed and they kept upping rates to encourage take up on them options. What did they think would happen once it became more profitable than going a commodity?

I think some farmers forgot were all separate businesses trying to make money but competing against each other for the same market share! The more that stop producing grain the better for my business in the long run.

 

[Bury the Trash]

Any farmer who’s in business to make money and not run a hobby! If it’s more profitable to enter + 25% of your land into a scheme than it is grow crops for a market that doesn’t want them then that’s what i’ll do.



Why is it greedy? When the scheme was opened there was no limits imposed and they kept upping rates to encourage take up on them options. What did they think would happen once it became more profitable than going a commodity?

I think some farmers forgot were all separate businesses trying to make money but competing against each other for the same market share! The more that stop producing grain the better for my business in the long run.

Relativly very wealthy people in the World today constantly whinging and want something more /different /extra /perfect/its
not quite right wah ,wah wah, does bore me to tears actually so i will say what i want.

""I think some farmers forgot were all separate businesses trying to make money but competing against each other for the same market share! The more that stop producing grain the better for my business in the long run.""

Our solar does (pays ) better than any ministry control scheme ever will more securly and for longer but there weren't any p[positive comments about it from other local farmers / local paper . "oh but the land shopuld be for food production blkah blah blah, and all by those that had plenty of land wealth and all the other things they so call wanted

Make your minds up im not keen on 2 faced dishonest , disingenuous hypocritical anyone tbh.

More money to buy new fancy jackets boot s guns sports cars vintage glass tumblers
machinery ,vehichles and buy to lets is what we want and now lol. ah emojis r now back .......

and please don't reply you bore me .
Inspiration is what is needed in spades and it aint here in this tired old type of thread or any other for that matter thats in a similar vein.

 

[Courier]

No one ever said you could cancel CS and enter SFI... not once was that promised in the last 3 yrs by DEFRA.. It might not be fair but SFI is not fair is it??

Fair ? Fair ?

Who expected a government which relies of FPTP to get itself elected to be “Fair”

 

[Phil P]

Relativly very wealthy people in the World today constantly whinging and want something more /different /extra /perfect/its
not quite right wah ,wah wah, does bore me to tears actually so i will say what i want.

""I think some farmers forgot were all separate businesses trying to make money but competing against each other for the same market share! The more that stop producing grain the better for my business in the long run.""

Our solar does (pays ) better than any ministry control scheme ever will more securly and for longer but there weren't any p[positive comments about it from other local farmers / local paper . "oh but the land shopuld be for food production blkah blah blah, and all by those that had plenty of land wealth and all the other things they so call wanted

Make your minds up im not keen on 2 faced dishonest , disingenuous hypocritical anyone tbh.

More money to buy new fancy jackets boot s guns sports cars vintage glass tumblers
machinery ,vehichles and buy to lets is what we want and now lol. ah emojis r now back .......

and please don't reply you bore me .
Inspiration is what is needed in spades and it aint here in this tired old type of thread or any other for that matter thats in a similar vein.

If you don’t want people to reply then why quote/comment sorry, I meant waffle on a thread , I read that post three times (even after you edited it) and still no Idea what your actual point is .
But if solar pays better than farming or government schemes sod what others say or think and crack on, good luck to you