Wet the new normal

yellow belly · Apr 5, 2024

Grassman said:
Our local town used to be prone to bad floods after heavy rain. So many years ago they built a dam with an open flow upstream of the town. If the flow increases drastically they shut off the flow and store the water till it can be released when conditions allow. Seems to work very well.

done the same upstreme of melton mowbrey

but once the soil is saturated as stated above the dam needs to be big enough to hold all the water that falls out of the sky

hydrologists talk of planning for 1 inch in an hour but take no account of the state of the ground water in the previous week

since october our rivers here are full to the banks with 15 mm rain events in 24 hours

the wettest days we have ever had have been in excess of 100 mm in 24 hours

imho all flood planning should be able to cope with 100mm in 24 hours on saturated soil

yellow belly · Apr 5, 2024

Two Tone said:
My parents got married in 1958. It was such a wet Autumn that Dad was combining beans with a modified Claas SF combine on wide tyres called a Bog Master on Christmas Eve that year.

He did a lot of contracting with that Combine.
He reckoned it was alright as long as you didn’t stop and the bow wave pushed the crop over.

There was a Farmer who had a magnificent crop of Wheat near Dry Drayton, Just outside Cambridge.
It was just too wet to avoid getting stuck, but was drying. Dad told the bloke that he could almost do it, but not quite and he would come back in a day or two.
That afternoon the guy set fire to the field, then shot himself!
………..Things must have been desperate.

A while back IIRC you mentioned something about a Volcano putting a lot of Water vapour in the air.
Can you remind us?

google 'the year with no summer' 18 somthing
krakatoa maybe

harvest failed in europe leading to revalution and starvation

AlCapone · Apr 5, 2024

A few nights ago a very attractive young lady who sometimes gives the weather forecast is also a meteorologist said because of rising temperatures more moisture is been held in the atmosphere which has to go somewhere

Sam Partridge · Apr 5, 2024

Two Tone said:
My parents got married in 1958. It was such a wet Autumn that Dad was combining beans with a modified Claas SF combine on wide tyres called a Bog Master on Christmas Eve that year.

He did a lot of contracting with that Combine.
He reckoned it was alright as long as you didn’t stop and the bow wave pushed the crop over.

There was a Farmer who had a magnificent crop of Wheat near Dry Drayton, Just outside Cambridge.
It was just too wet to avoid getting stuck, but was drying. Dad told the bloke that he could almost do it, but not quite and he would come back in a day or two.
That afternoon the guy set fire to the field, then shot himself!
………..Things must have been desperate.

A while back IIRC you mentioned something about a Volcano putting a lot of Water vapour in the air.
Can you remind us?

2022 Hunga Tonga–Hunga Haʻapai eruption and tsunami - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Although you may not like the bit where it says the world will likely experience higher rainfall for the next 10 years.....

Cowlife · Apr 5, 2024

Well that'll be the end of the environmental schemes if it's true

Bury the Trash · Apr 5, 2024

meanwhile abroad ...........

Whitewalker · Apr 5, 2024

Still Farming said:
Drought be next then when you want to cut hay won't stop raining untill September seems the trend the last 10 years

We used to make a few thousand bales of hay when I was a nipper , nearly all the hay makers have quit round here, hard to make decent silage past few years

yellow belly · Apr 5, 2024

Sam Partridge said:
2022 Hunga Tonga–Hunga Haʻapai eruption and tsunami - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Although you may not like the bit where it says the world will likely experience higher rainfall for the next 10 years.....

what was it relative to mt tambora which is believed to have caused 1816

mount st helena in the usa was a bit eruption

as was krakatoa and santorini

the cause and effect is sometimes hard to establish

scepticism is important in all science and all predictions

robs1 · Apr 5, 2024

yellow belly said:
what was it relative to mt tambora which is believed to have caused 1816

mount st helena in the usa was a bit eruption

as was krakatoa and santorini

the cause and effect is sometimes hard to establish

scepticism is important in all science and all predictions

Not when there is money to be made

Goweresque · Apr 5, 2024

yellow belly said:
what was it relative to mt tambora which is believed to have caused 1816

Its not the size or destructiveness of the eruption that is the issue, its how much water vapour it put into the atmosphere. Above sea volcanoes spew out huge amounts of ash and dust, which tend to cool the climate, by blocking the sun, as Tambora did, also Mt Pinatubo in 1992 which also cooled the planet for several years. But an undersea volcano can, if it is close enough to the surface create a huge cloud of steam as the sea water is vaporised by the explosive force of the eruption. Its estimated that Hunga Tonga managed to increase global water vapour by 10% overnight, an unprecedented amount. And as water vapour is a greenhouse gas far stronger than CO2 it will have a significant heating effect, and increase rainfall for a good number of years as all that water vapour is slowly stripped back out of the atmosphere. My guess is that all the hot spells and rain over the last 2 years are related to the Hunga Tonga eruption.

nick... · Apr 5, 2024

Been down to suffolk today to campsea ash and aldebourgh.ive never seen so many deep tramline ruts and a lot of mess in fields or crops looking really hungry either.maybe it’s been wetter than norfolk.had 21mm already this month and only the 5th.
nick...

Nithsdale · Apr 5, 2024

Bossfarmer said:
mabye it will be even wetter than those years this year?

Not as of yet. But a long way to go.

It hasn't even been as wet going back the last 6 months (which have been bloody wet) as it was during 2012.

kiwi pom · Apr 6, 2024

Been a fairly dry first quarter here, 83mm, only 14 in March.
Be buggered without irrigation, very varied though some parts of the south have had a lot of rain some are well and truly in drought.

livestock 1 · Apr 6, 2024

I can remember my father saying that 1976 was a very dry summer very hot crops were minimal with drought then it got into mid September it started raining never stopped then turned to snow and there was a fair bit of that too

Still Farming · Apr 6, 2024

Sticky

robs1 · Apr 6, 2024

Still Farming said:
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If that's AN then most will soon leave the field

Still Farming · Apr 6, 2024

robs1 said:
If that's AN then most will soon leave the field

Seen on net

kiwi pom · Apr 7, 2024

Probably won't cheer anyone up but proof that farming is continuing in the UK.

crashbox · Apr 7, 2024

Goweresque said:
Incidentally, why do we have to do the 'OMG its never going to stop raining/rain again [delete as appropriate]' debate every time it either rains for a bit or doesn't rain for a bit?

I'm keeping my powder dry for the drought in June

Derrick Hughes · Apr 7, 2024

What is this weather, got soaked in a few minutes just now

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