where do farmers think farming will be, in 5 years time

som farmer

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Livestock Farmer
Location
somerset
I can't disagree with the first part.
1. The Corps are self-serving
2. The Gov are self-serving and have shirked their duty to their citizens by passing it to the self-serving Corps extracting profits from us, their customers.
3. The NFU is silent on this so obviously supports this burgeoning Corporat-ocracy.

But then you say the Gov gets fecked if there's no corporate provision of food?
The Gov believes it's done it's job which is to do nothing except seen to be listening to all sides. It won't be fecked. It's the poor suburbanites who will be fecked. That's where the trouble will be. And they'll riot against it.

If there was a food supply crisis like the 2008 financial crisis, you can't just chuck money at it to solve it. It takes time and farmers aren't getting any younger.

The Gov has already said that's not its business. It's business is establishing a greenwashing market.

My point is Gov is not here to save farming. What it is here for is unclear. I'll wait for someone to tell me! 🤣
that's the point, guv is fecked if the corps cannot supply the food.

there is no back up plan, no food reserves, nothing. The policy of relying on a group of money grasping, self serving barstewards, will kick them in the nuts, hard.

if there is not enough food, or that food is to expensive, for the consumer, to buy/have, utter mayhem will follow.

this is why people are saying about food security, very correctly, guv's headline position, hands off approach, nothing to do with us, is wrong for the country. But, its great for farmers.

so the guv has fecked it up, they cannot supply affordable food to the country, what happens ?

its ok for guv to say, we didn't cause this, excuses etc. But it is the guv who have to pick up the pieces, there's the simple problem remaining, the country has to be fed, no ifs or buts.

hopefully they see the problem, before it reaches desperation point, but politicians are not noticeable for acting quickly, especially if it looks like they will shoulder the blame.

whatever happens, the policy of 'cheap food', is over, there just isn't enough profit in producing it, l don't think they can import enough cheap food, to cover the short fall, of lower home production, and if foreign sources of food, realise that we have to buy, price will go up, just normal trading actions.

l don't have a clue where farming will be, in 5 years time, and not sure anyone else does, it all depends on events abroad, which are entirely out of our guv's control, and the world is becoming more unstable by the day.

what we can be certain of, is the population has to eat, every day, and that won't change.

its how this guv, and the next one, handle rapid food inflation, that matters.

all in all, positives for farming.
 

som farmer

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
somerset
So . . .

why is it “our” problem ?
I got too many other things to worry about to spend too much time thinking about stuff out of my control


just asking . . .
its not 'our' problem, its the guvs

we just have to pick up the pieces, if supply doesn't meet demand, prices will rise till they do :)
 

nxy

Member
Mixed Farmer
So . . .

why is it “our” problem ?
I got too many other things to worry about to spend too much time thinking about stuff out of my control


just asking . . .

I suspect its less of a problem for you than for us because Oz will carry on doing what it does well being an efficient primary producer.

Whereas in the EU and the UK agriculture is far more at the mercy of the political direction in fashion at any moment in time.

Five years is not long in farming but its a lifetime in politics, for example in France a Le Pen win in the next presidential election could shake things up a bit
 

Farmer Roy

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
NSW, Newstralya
To be honest, I couldn’t care less about producing “food”

but then, generations of wool growers aren’t trying to convince people to eat wool are they ?
As a cotton grower, I’m not exactly emulating Milo Mindbinder & his chocolate coated cotton either 🤣🤣🤣

seriously though, 2 of my major products do go straight to human consumption with very little processing - chickpeas & mung beans.
Not sure how many here can say the same thing, unless they grow vegies ( or are dairy farmers. But, to be honest, here we tend to forget about dairy farmers anyway 🤣🤣🤣 )
 

Farmer Roy

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
NSW, Newstralya
I suspect its less of a problem for you than for us because Oz will carry on doing what it does well being an efficient primary producer.

Whereas in the EU and the UK agriculture is far more at the mercy of the political direction in fashion at any moment in time.

Five years is not long in farming but its a lifetime in politics, for example in France a Le Pen win in the next presidential election could shake things up a bit
😮
Err yeah, Le Pen is probably not good . . .
 

som farmer

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
somerset
To be honest, I couldn’t care less about producing “food”

but then, generations of wool growers aren’t trying to convince people to eat wool are they ?
As a cotton grower, I’m not exactly emulating Milo Mindbinder & his chocolate coated cotton either 🤣🤣🤣

seriously though, 2 of my major products do go straight to human consumption with very little processing - chickpeas & mung beans.
Not sure how many here can say the same thing, unless they grow vegies ( or are dairy farmers. But, to be honest, here we tend to forget about dairy farmers anyway 🤣🤣🤣 )
the only 'duty' we have, is to look after our nearest and dearest

everything else, comes after that, in a very rapidly declining order of importance.
 

nxy

Member
Mixed Farmer
😮
Err yeah, Le Pen is probably not good . . .

Currently polling 31% for the European elections in six weeks time. If most French MEPs are anti Europe where are we headed? Frexit?
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Farmer Roy

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
NSW, Newstralya
I suspect its less of a problem for you than for us because Oz will carry on doing what it does well being an efficient primary producer.

Whereas in the EU and the UK agriculture is far more at the mercy of the political direction in fashion at any moment in time.

Five years is not long in farming but its a lifetime in politics, for example in France a Le Pen win in the next presidential election could shake things up a bit

2 MAJOR differences here I think . . .

1) - the bulk ( about 90% ) of our population are “urban” dwellers & live on a narrow strip about 100 km wide, on the east coast, between Melbourne & Brisbane. No where near the bulk of our agricultural production.

2) - agriculture is a MAJOR export earner for Australia & is a crucial part of our economy



so - it sucks to be you


sorry . . .
 

soapsud

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Dorset
that's the point, guv is fecked if the corps cannot supply the food.

there is no back up plan, no food reserves, nothing. The policy of relying on a group of money grasping, self serving barstewards, will kick them in the nuts, hard.

if there is not enough food, or that food is to expensive, for the consumer, to buy/have, utter mayhem will follow.

this is why people are saying about food security, very correctly, guv's headline position, hands off approach, nothing to do with us, is wrong for the country. But, its great for farmers.

so the guv has fecked it up, they cannot supply affordable food to the country, what happens ?

its ok for guv to say, we didn't cause this, excuses etc. But it is the guv who have to pick up the pieces, there's the simple problem remaining, the country has to be fed, no ifs or buts.

hopefully they see the problem, before it reaches desperation point, but politicians are not noticeable for acting quickly, especially if it looks like they will shoulder the blame.

whatever happens, the policy of 'cheap food', is over, there just isn't enough profit in producing it, l don't think they can import enough cheap food, to cover the short fall, of lower home production, and if foreign sources of food, realise that we have to buy, price will go up, just normal trading actions.

l don't have a clue where farming will be, in 5 years time, and not sure anyone else does, it all depends on events abroad, which are entirely out of our guv's control, and the world is becoming more unstable by the day.

what we can be certain of, is the population has to eat, every day, and that won't change.

its how this guv, and the next one, handle rapid food inflation, that matters.

all in all, positives for farming.
We agree on everything except when you say Gov is responsible for its feck up if the population can't get cheap plentiful food. It's not its feck up. Its the Corps. Gov have passed the buck.They don't need to do anything. Meanwhile farming will become super-Agri-industrial or a small holders heavan.The middle farms will disappear. They are the backbone of the farming sector. Without them, the whole supporting infrastructure will have to put their costs up even more and that starts to make the whole thing too costly.

In short, you believe the Gov will step in if times get harder for the majority of the UK population. I don't. They are on the sidelines and have put in the power with the supermarkets/processors.
 

DrWazzock

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
Within 5 years most food production here will be completely uncompetitive with imports due to high costs of land and rents brought about by State funded alternative land uses such as “public goods” for nature conservation and net zero targets. Net zero requirements and ever increasing often self imposed regulations and associated costs will also add to U.K. farmings fundamental non viability on the global stage. As the sector shrinks, costs will rise even further as critical mass is lost which we are already seeing with reduced number of abattoirs, livestock markets, large animal vet practices, grain export facilities, oilseed crushing plants, machinery dealerships and maintenance shops.
Look at what happened to coal for the model. It’s still used abroad but not here to make all the stuff we supposedly need. Similarly food will be imported with all the collateral effects conveniently off shored out of sight out of mind and somebody can tick the big net zero green box.
 
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Suffolk
I wonder if big could be halved? As a result then smaller comes to the fore. All those family arguments over inheritance reduced….
AI controlled autonomous machinery operated from a central point.
Drone viewing. look at the youtube/FB clips that show their capabilities in Eastern Europe. There has to be spin offs away from their current use there.
The younger generation are embracing the work-from-home concept aided by technology so there’s nothing stopping this from becoming more mainstream in the Farming world.
Remotely operating your farm from the yacht whilst exploring The Baltic is quite possible.
I see @Clive doing just this from an old S2 LR whilst sheltering from a dust storm in Africa😁
Tin hat at the ready.🥺
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2 MAJOR differences here I think . . .

1) - the bulk ( about 90% ) of our population are “urban” dwellers & live on a narrow strip about 100 km wide, on the east coast, between Melbourne & Brisbane. No where near the bulk of our agricultural production.

2) - agriculture is a MAJOR export earner for Australia & is a crucial part of our economy



so - it sucks to be you


sorry . . .

Australians just seem to have a different approach to life compared to Brits. I've noticed this in the USA, also. In the USA they are very much the same people:. A 'this is America' type attitude pervades and they are proud to be American. There is a fudging great stars and stripes proudly on show at every car dealership, every petrol station, you name it, they are there. You're never in any doubt where you are and there is a pervasive 'can-do' attitude which spreads positivity around. I've noticed this working with doctors/nurses who have either worked in Australia or originated there also.

The British however, seem to look for any number of reasons not to do something, no one wants to go out of their way or extend common courtesy to their fellow man. Try finding a Union Jack anywhere in the UK. You almost feel like you'd be reported by the Stasi for stirring counter-revolutionary sentiment by doing so.

Also, Australia is a big growth economy with a lot of big primary industries that spread wealth into the country like a river of gold. I've been viewing the housing market in Australia for a few months and you just get the impression that it is all quite buoyant and prosperous there.
 

JP1

Member
Livestock Farmer
I reckon things are looking pretty good here, for the next 5 years 🤣

nowhere else I’d rather be ❤️

I nearly moved permanently to the UK 30 odd years ago ( I lived & worked there for 3 years ) - so glad that I didn’t 🤣
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( for the record, the above truck is carrying over $60,000 worth of mung beans )
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Honestly Roy with your can-do attitude and application, you'd have excelled in either Country
 

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