100,000 pigs to be destroyed

[glasshouse]

I might go into pigs now
Will those female fat pigs breed ok?

 

[spin cycle]

Anecdotal, but I sold a ram to a lad who supplies labour to poultry units. He told me of one farm gassing 750,000 out of spec birds.

I have also heard of whole flocks being gassed.

Thats massive numbers but next door are putting 3 artics a week into dog food only due to being out of spec due to labour. And my mate is the buyer for dog food and hes struggling to even get it moved in artics to him, just hired in 3x 80t freezers to help the backlog of stuff to be hauled. Its seems a perfect storm, really short of lorrys but the lorrys boys are telling me they are not making money so no idea whats going on.

Look at the next thread down. OP there manages an 840,000 bird site in Norfolk. Just because you've not experienced it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Edit I'm not suggesting it's his farm!

first 6 months of this year 2-3 million more broiler chicks being reared per month over 2018-19 levels

 

[wrenbird]

The pig and poultry industries being the vertically integrated systems that they appear to someone looking in from outside, surely all the extra pigs and chickens that others have mentioned here would not have been reared ‘on spec’, in the hope that a market could be found for them, but, rather, had been produced to fulfill a contract with a particular processor?
If that’s the case, then surely the processors had the market for, and the capacity to cope with, the stock the contract was for at the time it was offered? So, what has changed for the processors in such a short time that they cannot take the stock that is ready, is it just down to logistics and lack of workers?

 

[Hilly]

Who’s still wants beef and lamb reared on same model as pigs and poultry then ?

 

[Humble Village Farmer]

Look at the next thread down. OP there manages an 840,000 bird site in Norfolk. Just because you've not experienced it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Edit I'm not suggesting it's his farm!

All farm assured mind.

 

[yellowbelly]

If that’s the case, then surely the processors had the market for, and the capacity to cope with, the stock the contract was for at the time it was offered? So, what has changed for the processors in such a short time that they cannot take the stock that is ready?

As you say, just looking in from the outside, it is very difficult to understand how processors have let this happen.

I know that covid caused disruption last year, with slaughtering facilities having to close due to workers getting the virus, but it appeared they restarted as cases cleared up.

So what's the position with these foreign slaughtermen then?
Have they always 'come and gone' on a sort of rotational basis and now we're out of the EU the next lot can't come? If that's the case, processors should certainly have seen this coming.
I just assumed the ones we had here were residents and in full time employment so weren't affected by Brexit.
Maybe I'm wrong and they are mostly just here on a short term basis to earn a lump of money and then go back home. If that's the case then it's still the processors' problem - they need to be paying proper money to keep a proper workforce in place.

Meanwhile, as always seems to be the case, British Agriculture, gets dropped in the sh!t

 

[JP1]

As you say, just looking in from the outside, it is very difficult to understand how processors have let this happen.

I know that covid caused disruption last year, with slaughtering facilities having to close due to workers getting the virus, but it appeared they restarted as cases cleared up.

So what's the position with these foreign slaughtermen then?
Have they always 'come and gone' on a sort of rotational basis and now we're out of the EU the next lot can't come? If that's the case, processors should certainly have seen this coming.
I just assumed the ones we had here were residents and in full time employment so weren't affected by Brexit.
Maybe I'm wrong and they are mostly just here on a short term basis to earn a lump of money and then go back home. If that's the case then it's still the processors' problem - they need to be paying proper money to keep a proper workforce in place.

Meanwhile, as always seems to be the case, British Agriculture, gets dropped in the sh!t

^^ this

 

[glasshouse]

As you say, just looking in from the outside, it is very difficult to understand how processors have let this happen.

I know that covid caused disruption last year, with slaughtering facilities having to close due to workers getting the virus, but it appeared they restarted as cases cleared up.

So what's the position with these foreign slaughtermen then?
Have they always 'come and gone' on a sort of rotational basis and now we're out of the EU the next lot can't come? If that's the case, processors should certainly have seen this coming.
I just assumed the ones we had here were residents and in full time employment so weren't affected by Brexit.
Maybe I'm wrong and they are mostly just here on a short term basis to earn a lump of money and then go back home. If that's the case then it's still the processors' problem - they need to be paying proper money to keep a proper workforce in place.

Meanwhile, as always seems to be the case, British Agriculture, gets dropped in the sh!t

The processors did see it coming, they told govt repeatedly about brexit consequences.
No one expected covid lockdown to last so long
Boris s answers to these matters are laughable

 

[JP1]

The processors did see it coming, they told govt repeatedly about brexit consequences.
No one expected covid lockdown to last so long
Boris s answers to these matters are laughable

They are but I'm not laughing, hence why I put the link to his entire Marr interview up again

If he was (ever) sincere about welfare he'd have actioned things by now

 

[unlacedgecko]

As you say, just looking in from the outside, it is very difficult to understand how processors have let this happen.

I know that covid caused disruption last year, with slaughtering facilities having to close due to workers getting the virus, but it appeared they restarted as cases cleared up.

So what's the position with these foreign slaughtermen then?
Have they always 'come and gone' on a sort of rotational basis and now we're out of the EU the next lot can't come? If that's the case, processors should certainly have seen this coming.
I just assumed the ones we had here were residents and in full time employment so weren't affected by Brexit.
Maybe I'm wrong and they are mostly just here on a short term basis to earn a lump of money and then go back home. If that's the case then it's still the processors' problem - they need to be paying proper money to keep a proper workforce in place.

Meanwhile, as always seems to be the case, British Agriculture, gets dropped in the sh!t

As I understand it, it's not salughtermen their short of. The guy with the knife doing the actual throat cutting is highly skilled and will have a secure job.

It's the post slaughter processing staff there's a lack of. These will mostly be EU workers on zero hours contracts paid minimum wage through an agency.

Go to the Scunthorpe 2 Sisters plant at 1400 and see the tidal wave of Eastern Europeans at shift change over.

 

[Hilly]

As you say, just looking in from the outside, it is very difficult to understand how processors have let this happen.

I know that covid caused disruption last year, with slaughtering facilities having to close due to workers getting the virus, but it appeared they restarted as cases cleared up.

So what's the position with these foreign slaughtermen then?
Have they always 'come and gone' on a sort of rotational basis and now we're out of the EU the next lot can't come? If that's the case, processors should certainly have seen this coming.
I just assumed the ones we had here were residents and in full time employment so weren't affected by Brexit.
Maybe I'm wrong and they are mostly just here on a short term basis to earn a lump of money and then go back home. If that's the case then it's still the processors' problem - they need to be paying proper money to keep a proper workforce in place.

Meanwhile, as always seems to be the case, British Agriculture, gets dropped in the sh!t

Agriculture dropped in the sh!t ? Subsidised and compensated quite a lot tho eh , if it was dropped in the sh!t it would be dead and buried decades ago . Bit negative and self indulgent to say such a thing if you take a over view .

 

[JP1]

Agriculture dropped in the sh!t ? Subsidised and compensated quite a lot tho eh , if it was dropped in the sh!t it would be dead and buried decades ago . Bit negative and self indulgent to say such a thing if you take a over view .

Not aware of any pig enterprises subsidised or compensated. They do buy grain via feed at full market rates though

 

[wrenbird]

So, are the pig and poultry producers cynically being used as pawns in an engineered crisis, not that that would ever happen (see page 94, ‘fuel crisis’), in order for bigger fish, (sharks), higher up the food chain to keep/obtain cheap foreign labour?

As I understand it, it's not salughtermen their short of. The guy with the knife doing the actual throat cutting is highly skilled and will have a secure job.

It's the post slaughter processing staff there's a lack of. These will mostly be EU workers on zero hours contracts paid minimum wage through an agency.

Go to the Scunthorpe 2 Sisters plant at 1400 and see the tidal wave of Eastern Europeans at shift change over.

 

[yellowbelly]

Go to the Scunthorpe 2 Sisters plant at 1400 and see the tidal wave of Eastern Europeans at shift change over.

Yeah, know all about them

It's the post slaughter processing staff there's a lack of. These will mostly be EU workers on zero hours contracts paid minimum wage through an agency.

So it's down to the money again.
Still the processors problem, they need to pay proper money. All comes down to the fact that food is too cheap - big buisness wants to run farming like a factory

 

[David.]

Same at 18.00 shift change, former Faccenda Brackley, carloads and bus loads, high proportion of my guess is Romanian/Albanians, so the cheaper end Eastern Europe even.
If they could import Martians to do it cheaper, I bet they would.
Blame the retailers who have manoeuvred themselves into a position of dictating what they will pay for chicken, pork, etc.

 

[yellowbelly]

Agriculture dropped in the sh!t ? Subsidised and compensated quite a lot tho eh , if it was dropped in the sh!t it would be dead and buried decades ago . Bit negative and self indulgent to say such a thing if you take a over view .

Well, if you had a contract for a load of pigs every week and suddenly they only took 75% (or whatever) of 'em and told you 'to dispose' of the rest, I expect you'd think that was a bit of sh!t trick.

BSE was sh!t
F&M was sh!t

We've had it before, I expect it'll happen again British Ag is very resiliant.

 

[honeyend]

As you say, just looking in from the outside, it is very difficult to understand how processors have let this happen.

I know that covid caused disruption last year, with slaughtering facilities having to close due to workers getting the virus, but it appeared they restarted as cases cleared up.

So what's the position with these foreign slaughtermen then?
Have they always 'come and gone' on a sort of rotational basis and now we're out of the EU the next lot can't come? If that's the case, processors should certainly have seen this coming.
I just assumed the ones we had here were residents and in full time employment so weren't affected by Brexit.
Maybe I'm wrong and they are mostly just here on a short term basis to earn a lump of money and then go back home. If that's the case then it's still the processors' problem - they need to be paying proper money to keep a proper workforce in place.

Meanwhile, as always seems to be the case, British Agriculture, gets dropped in the sh!t

You could say this about the NHS. A lot of EU workers went home, the idea was we we going to recruit from the world market, which we were doing already, getting staff from India ,Africa, and a lot from the Philippines.
Covid brought a lot of staff out of retirement, but someone who I met who runs a whole areas temporary staffing said he had 1100 temporary staff most doing one shift a week, and a lot of these staff will leave soon.
Its a long term skills deficit, which was supported by overseas labour, and they have done nothing to address this problem. If the government has been blaming companies for importing labour to keep wages down, they have done the same.
Nursing homes also used a lot of EU labour, even buying houses to house staff, they have gone home. If they put up pay, which is a good thing, the amount they can charge local authorities is capped, so they will go bust.
They have ten years to think about long term planning, and since 2016 this issues needed be addressed by Brexit date. Visa's , making staff feel secure and valued by society is not something that an employer can do on their own, the culture over Brexit was, we didn't need overseas workers, and the currant government has made this environment, it should have had a solution.
The petrol at the pumps shortage, is just a very visible sign of all the other labour shortages that are going on, and if the government didn't know it was coming, they were warned often enough. This jobs where called 'low skilled', how do you entice people to do jobs that are under valued and low paid, not usually by making them feel like they are disposable.

 

[glasshouse]

Businesses couldnt make plans for brexit because no one knew what the deal would be till dec 19 then covid hit.
As far as the tories are concerned, everyone is “low skilled” except them!!

 

[Henarar]

Not aware of any pig enterprises subsidised or compensated. They do buy grain via feed at full market rates though

they are subsided in just the same way as other sectors

 

[Henarar]

I might go into pigs now
Will those female fat pigs breed ok?

breeders seem to be selling ok