17 reg disco engine kaput

[Timbo]

The only real issues they have are turbos and egr's, we've done a few V8 sports over the years and they have been brilliant cars for what they cost!

Only ever done 1 Vouge but they are a nightmare to work on compared to a Sport or discovery, you can't lift the body off so it makes the job very awkward.

I understood the body had to come off to work on the engine just the same as the Disco / RRS...

 

[Cowabunga]

Just been talking to local guy who told me his 17 reg disco stopped on road now needs new engine costing at least 10k.... just out of warranty

What a surprise.

Not really.

 

[2wheels]

@TripleSix knows the anorak engine replacement option. BMW 6cyl was it?

timing chain ?

 

[Timbo]

A 17 plate "Disco" is going to be a D5, so either the Ingenium 2.0 or the V6 3.0 Lion. Either of which could go kaaaa-boom. The Ingenium is rapidly getting a rep for stretching & snapping timing chains.

 

[neilo]

What engine do they put in Range Rovers these days @livestock 1 ?

 

[Cowabunga]

A 17 plate "Disco" is going to be a D5, so either the Ingenium 2.0 or the V6 3.0 Lion. Either of which could go kaaaa-boom. The Ingenium is rapidly getting a rep for stretching & snapping timing chains.

Can you supply some references for that? I am just interested in such things and this is the first time I've heard of this issue. Not good if a common issue.

 

[Timbo]

Can you supply some references for that? I am just interested in such things and this is the first time I've heard of this issue. Not good if a common issue.

Have a word with JAS.

 

[Yale]

If you were to buy a new Deffender with the 3.0 v6 tdi engine is it likely to have the same issues?

 

[Juggler]

A 17 plate "Disco" is going to be a D5, so either the Ingenium 2.0 or the V6 3.0 Lion. Either of which could go kaaaa-boom. The Ingenium is rapidly getting a rep for stretching & snapping timing chains.

Beat me to it, D4's finished in 2016 I think, read on a D5 owners group of an unfortunate soul who's D5 had shiit itself in a similar manner over the weekend.
So, my lowly D3 that's currently on 130k+ and has been far from trouble free in the 7 years I've owned it might as well stay as a new engine and gearbox if it gets that bad would be 3.5k fitted, if I put a heap of money on top and get a D4 it might snap the crank, and put an even bigger heap of money on top for a D5 for the potential of that going bang spectacularly too! what the hell is going on with JLR? Why are they sooo bad for reliability and seem to be getting worse? I'm sure I read of someone with a terminally ill new Defender recently too, similar engine issues.

 

[Cowabunga]

Have a word with JAS.

I won't bother them as I'm sure they won't appreciate me wasting their time. I've done some research and, yes, indeed it is a fairly common and serious issue.

This after JLR's claim that "Ingenium will also come to market as one of the most tested and proven Jaguar Land Rover engines ever. Before the first Ingenium engine is sold, it will have already undergone the equivalent of more than eight years of the toughest, most punishing testing that Jaguar Land Rover engineers could devise. These tests include a huge range of integrity and durability testing, including more than 72,000 hours of dyno testing and 2 million of miles of real-world testing to ensure these engines deliver - and continue to deliver."

Obviously their testing was rubbish and inadequate or they would have picked up this and the severe oil dilution [by fuel] issues of all but very recent diesel four cylinder Ingenium engines. One has to wonder just what is fundamentally wrong with this company that lets poor quality and unreliable components be built and sold on such a regular ongoing basis. They make superb looking and driving vehicles that are basically proven to consistently be the most unreliable vehicles available at any price point. Not only that but they do not stand by their vehicle's faults. They have no cure except at least halving the oil change interval for the fuel contamination issue and from what I gather they are expecting people to pay for timing chain and even engine replacements that result from it soon after the three year warranty ends. This is all due to faulty materials, workmanship and design by JLR with inadequate pre-launch testing and any reputable company worth its salt, never mind one that likes to have a 'premium' image, would remedy with no questions asked, free of charge. This is not a reputable company that deserves patronage as I have found out over many many years. Disreputable and has not changed its appalling customer service ethos or reliability over many decades of increasingly targeting the premium car sector.

 

[Netherfield]

I won't bother them as I'm sure they won't appreciate me wasting their time. I've done some research and, yes, indeed it is a fairly common and serious issue.

This after JLR's claim that "Ingenium will also come to market as one of the most tested and proven Jaguar Land Rover engines ever. Before the first Ingenium engine is sold, it will have already undergone the equivalent of more than eight years of the toughest, most punishing testing that Jaguar Land Rover engineers could devise. These tests include a huge range of integrity and durability testing, including more than 72,000 hours of dyno testing and 2 million of miles of real-world testing to ensure these engines deliver - and continue to deliver."

Obviously their testing was rubbish and inadequate or they would have picked up this and the severe oil dilution [by fuel] issues of all but very recent diesel four cylinder Ingenium engines. One has to wonder just what is fundamentally wrong with this company that lets poor quality and unreliable components be built and sold on such a regular ongoing basis. They make superb looking and driving vehicles that are basically proven to consistently be the most unreliable vehicles available at any price point. Not only that but they do not stand by their vehicle's faults. They have no cure except at least halving the oil change interval for the fuel contamination issue and from what I gather they are expecting people to pay for timing chain and even engine replacements that result from it soon after the three year warranty ends. This is all due to faulty materials, workmanship and design by JLR with inadequate pre-launch testing and any reputable company worth its salt, never mind one that likes to have a 'premium' image, would remedy with no questions asked, free of charge. This is not a reputable company that deserves patronage as I have found out over many many years. Disreputable and has not changed its appalling customer service ethos or reliability over many decades of increasingly targeting the premium car sector.

Yet people keep on falling for the trick.

 

[Kildare]

We were lucky that we knew a supplier of brand new sold stock engines however they've all gone now, one of the lads has just bought a Jag engine to fit in another disco 4. Next time I fancy trying to get a V8 in, it's been done to the disco 3.

There was a guy on utube whose engine went in his discovery.
He made a video of replacing the engine with one out of a jag.
It gave up very shortly afterwards. He hadn't the stomach to tackle it again.
Just left it and bought something else. A ranger I think.

 

[Cowabunga]

Yet people keep on falling for the trick.

I'm tempted myself but I managed to resist between 1992 and 2004 and then from 2006 onwards. The last two temptations were for a new Defender and about eight months ago for a Discovery Sport or RR Velar. Lovely vehicles but I just knew they were a bad idea so I chose another better quality brand with more kit for less money.

Since LR shafted me on the warranty of a six month old Range Rover's dangerous brakes and although I kept that for nearly 100,000 miles in the end, I have bought fourteen new SUV's from two Land Cruiser Amazons to three Nissan Terrano's to Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Mitsubishi, two Ford Rangers and many others. They could and should have all been JLR products built in the UK if only they weren't such a shite company to deal with that builds vehicles that require so many repairs. I once had four of their products at once on the family fleet and it nearly drove me mad and wasted about five hours a week on average and a ridiculous cost just to keep them on the road.

 

[Lincsman]

Yet people keep on falling for the trick.

Its a british thing... ever heard the one about "you only get what you pay for"?... so LR = high price = good car... you cannot deny it works for them.

 

[Juggler]

What is the alternative then? For me, when I change the D3, it was always going to be for a D4 or D5, now I'm thinking that's probably not a good idea.
So what's the alternative that has same level of comfort, 3.5T towing, 7 seats...? Audi? Volvo? BMW?

 

[mf7480]

I'm tempted myself but I managed to resist between 1992 and 2004 and then from 2006 onwards. The last two temptations were for a new Defender and about eight months ago for a Discovery Sport or RR Velar. Lovely vehicles but I just knew they were a bad idea so I chose another better quality brand with more kit for less money.

I fell for it. I wanted to hate the new Defender. I did hate it when it first came out. I hated what it stood for, how it wasn't a 'real Defender', how it had a substandard little 2.0 engine, and how to price tag was obscene, how I could buy a vehicle for half the money with more kit.

Then I made the mistake of popping into the dealer whilst test driving a Ranger and had a go in a 3.0 diesel. It arrives in October

 

[Foxcover]

@TripleSix knows the anorak engine replacement option. BMW 6cyl was it?

Are you talking about replacing the knackered engine with the 3litre straight 6 BMW M57?
Wiseman engineering do this conversion.

 

[Cowabunga]

If you were to buy a new Deffender with the 3.0 v6 tdi engine is it likely to have the same issues?

No V6 in Defender. Only the straight six Ingenium. It does seem that JLR have sorted the timing chain issue but from their history and reputation I would not be 100% confident about that. The six cylinder version is too new to know whether it has issues as of yet and they have not acknowledged a timing chain issue on early four cylinder engines. They have been forced to acknowledge the oil dilution issue on transverse engine models but they have done nothing to sort it out other than give free interim early oil changes for a limited period. New vehicles do not suffer from oil dilution because they have altered the body shells on transverse engine models to accommodate a close-coupled DPF which has sorted it. Only on later factory built models though. Not as a warranty claim, which is not possible.

 

[Cowabunga]

I fell for it. I wanted to hate the new Defender. I did hate it when it first came out. I hated what it stood for, how it wasn't a 'real Defender', how it had a substandard little 2.0 engine, and how to price tag was obscene, how I could buy a vehicle for half the money with more kit.

Then I made the mistake of popping into the dealer whilst test driving a Ranger and had a go in a 3.0 diesel. It arrives in October

I'm sure you'll love it and they should have sorted most issues and bugs out by then.

 

[Drillman]

Landrover always had crap engines even the ex Buick V8 was a temperamental thing most of the time.

then they made the 200tdi. Which worked well if a bit on the noisy side.

Its been downhill ever since…..

saying all that the 2.25 petrol was a tough old engine, just slow and had a thirst that could drink a bar full of young farmers under the table