17 reg disco engine kaput

[Lincsman]

What is the alternative then? For me, when I change the D3, it was always going to be for a D4 or D5, now I'm thinking that's probably not a good idea.
So what's the alternative that has same level of comfort, 3.5T towing, 7 seats...? Audi? Volvo? BMW?

Take your pick;
Reliability for luxury SUVs aged up to five years old

Rank	Make and model	Score
1.	Porsche Macan 2014-on	96.9%
2.	Audi Q7 2015-on	94.0%
3.	Mercedes GLE 2015-2019	92.8%
4.	Volvo XC90 2015-on	91.6%
5.	BMW X5 2013-2018	89.9%
6.	Range Rover 2013-on	85.4%
7.	Range Rover Velar 2017-on	81.9%
8.	Land Rover Discovery 2017-on	77.0%
9.	Range Rover Sport 2014-on	74.2%

From What car?

 

[mf7480]

I'm sure you'll love it and they should have sorted most issues and bugs out by then.

Who are you kidding? We've been giving them the benefit of the doubt that the 'bugs are sorted on the new one' for the last 25 years!

 

[Andy12345]

Landrover always had crap engines even the ex Buick V8 was a temperamental thing most of the time.

then they made the 200tdi. Which worked well if a bit on the noisy side.

Its been downhill ever since…..

saying all that the 2.25 petrol was a tough old engine, just slow and had a thirst that could drink a bar full of young farmers under the table

I had one of the last Defender 90 with a 3.5 V8 rover engine .... shame they didn't continue with that, twas a bit thirsty though !!!

 

[ollie989898]

What is the Volvo XC90 like for reliability in terms of engine/drivetrain?

In all honesty if you are wanting to pay the sticker price for these cars you would be better looking at the Land Cruiser.

 

[mf7480]

What is the Volvo XC90 like for reliability in terms of engine/drivetrain?

In all honesty if you are wanting to pay the sticker price for these cars you would be better looking at the Land Cruiser.

I had no luck with mine. Very glitchy software, DPF failure caused by a blown turbo pipe. And worst of all, incredible turbo lag. The gearbox isn't necessarily bad, but it seems very badly calibrated to the engine.

 

[Juggler]

Take your pick;
Reliability for luxury SUVs aged up to five years old

Rank	Make and model	Score
1.	Porsche Macan 2014-on	96.9%
2.	Audi Q7 2015-on	94.0%
3.	Mercedes GLE 2015-2019	92.8%
4.	Volvo XC90 2015-on	91.6%
5.	BMW X5 2013-2018	89.9%
6.	Range Rover 2013-on	85.4%
7.	Range Rover Velar 2017-on	81.9%
8.	Land Rover Discovery 2017-on	77.0%
9.	Range Rover Sport 2014-on	74.2%

From What car?

Out of that list, and without driving any so just on looks, I'd have the Q7, anyone got any experiences of them to share?

 

[Drillman]

Out of that list, and without driving any so just on looks, I'd have the Q7, anyone got any experiences of them to share?

I would have the full fat Range Rover and accept that some days it would need a lie down.

 

[livestock 1]

What engine do they put in Range Rovers these days @livestock 1 ?

One that’s still going at the moment
3.0 tdv6

 

[Juggler]

I would have the full fat Range Rover and accept that some days it would need a lie down.

Well yes, there is that... shame they cant sort them, they are just so good in every other department...

Trouble with the having a lie down thing is, when we change the D3, its successor would be the main car, unlike the D3 which is just towing and the odd blast at the weekend, the next 4x4 will be used daily for commuting as well as the other stuff so needs to limit it's 'lies down' really!

 

[livestock 1]

We traded a ML but there’s a hell of a lot more RR and D4’s inthis country than ML’s

 

[Lakesdigger]

I won't bother them as I'm sure they won't appreciate me wasting their time. I've done some research and, yes, indeed it is a fairly common and serious issue.

This after JLR's claim that "Ingenium will also come to market as one of the most tested and proven Jaguar Land Rover engines ever. Before the first Ingenium engine is sold, it will have already undergone the equivalent of more than eight years of the toughest, most punishing testing that Jaguar Land Rover engineers could devise. These tests include a huge range of integrity and durability testing, including more than 72,000 hours of dyno testing and 2 million of miles of real-world testing to ensure these engines deliver - and continue to deliver."

Obviously their testing was rubbish and inadequate or they would have picked up this and the severe oil dilution [by fuel] issues of all but very recent diesel four cylinder Ingenium engines. One has to wonder just what is fundamentally wrong with this company that lets poor quality and unreliable components be built and sold on such a regular ongoing basis. They make superb looking and driving vehicles that are basically proven to consistently be the most unreliable vehicles available at any price point. Not only that but they do not stand by their vehicle's faults. They have no cure except at least halving the oil change interval for the fuel contamination issue and from what I gather they are expecting people to pay for timing chain and even engine replacements that result from it soon after the three year warranty ends. This is all due to faulty materials, workmanship and design by JLR with inadequate pre-launch testing and any reputable company worth its salt, never mind one that likes to have a 'premium' image, would remedy with no questions asked, free of charge. This is not a reputable company that deserves patronage as I have found out over many many years. Disreputable and has not changed its appalling customer service ethos or reliability over many decades of increasingly targeting the premium car sector.

They make a desirable range of vehicles which people pay way over the top prices for imho and then need to keep buying every few year before anything major goes wrong. I'd bet JLR accountants are fairly pleased with the business model.

 

[Timbo]

I'm tempted myself but I managed to resist between 1992 and 2004 and then from 2006 onwards. The last two temptations were for a new Defender and about eight months ago for a Discovery Sport or RR Velar. Lovely vehicles but I just knew they were a bad idea so I chose another better quality brand with more kit for less money.

Since LR shafted me on the warranty of a six month old Range Rover's dangerous brakes and although I kept that for nearly 100,000 miles in the end, I have bought fourteen new SUV's from two Land Cruiser Amazons to three Nissan Terrano's to Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Mitsubishi, two Ford Rangers and many others. They could and should have all been JLR products built in the UK if only they weren't such a shite company to deal with that builds vehicles that require so many repairs. I once had four of their products at once on the family fleet and it nearly drove me mad and wasted about five hours a week on average and a ridiculous cost just to keep them on the road.

Youll be loving the latest Defender tail light saga then !!!! JLR will replace the units foc *if* they came on the car at build... but are charging the customer to swap them. If you've bought the lights as dealer fit or for diy install, they wont be a foc swap!! This applies to only the black or defender x style tail lights btw.

 

[Timbo]

If you were to buy a new Deffender with the 3.0 v6 tdi engine is it likely to have the same issues?

I6 , not a v6.

 

[br jones]

What is the alternative then? For me, when I change the D3, it was always going to be for a D4 or D5, now I'm thinking that's probably not a good idea.
So what's the alternative that has same level of comfort, 3.5T towing, 7 seats...? Audi? Volvo? BMW?

my d4 has now done 130000 and has been faultless engine wise

 

[Cowabunga]

Youll be loving the latest Defender tail light saga then !!!! JLR will replace the units foc *if* they came on the car at build... but are charging the customer to swap them. If you've bought the lights as dealer fit or for diy install, they wont be a foc swap!! This applies to only the black or defender x style tail lights btw.

Only to US spec lights apparently. Not UK or Europe or anywhere else

 

[7800]

had a discovery sport for 5 years, been almost faultless. Got a new defender with I6, very very pleased so far
they're not all bad !

 

[Exfarmer]

We were lucky that we knew a supplier of brand new sold stock engines however they've all gone now, one of the lads has just bought a Jag engine to fit in another disco 4. Next time I fancy trying to get a V8 in, it's been done to the disco 3.

Hope that was not one off that lorry load which some one drove out of the factory one day

 

[Kildare]

Is the v8 diesel engine that is fitted to some range rovers a trouble free engine or has it the same issues as the v6

 

[Oliveau]

What is the alternative then? For me, when I change the D3, it was always going to be for a D4 or D5, now I'm thinking that's probably not a good idea.
So what's the alternative that has same level of comfort, 3.5T towing, 7 seats...? Audi? Volvo? BMW?

Dare I say it - What about a Ssangyong. Nowhere as bad as you might fear. Galvanised body, 7 year warranty, tow 3.5 ton. I've got one of the old Mussos which is just coming up to it's 20th birthday. Not a spot of rust, M-B based engine, simple to maintain and pulls a loaded trailer easily. Have a try - you might just be pleasantly surprised. Not a RR I know, but just look at the price!

 

[Kildare]

I know you uk guys like to support land rover but there are lots of other brands.
Mercedes are worth considering too. V6 diesel engine used in millions of cars and sprinters. 225 hp. The taxi man's choice in Germany.
I have a Mercedes ml with 250k klms. It records the hours and average speed until you reset the clock. At my average speed it would have 5k hours on it.
I paid €10k for it 5 years ago and hopefully it will do another 5 years.