1st Experience with Electric Car

[Poorbuthappy]

Had a chinwag with my local electrician. He reckons leccy cars can be charged from a 13 amp socket, albeit a bit slow. No need to spend £1500- £2k on a special charger.
True / False ???

Perfectly true.
Father charges his like that always.
We do on occasions.
He doesn't do big miles in it though so can cope with the slow charging.
If he did more mileage he wouldn't get sufficient charge in at his off peak rate of 5p

 

[Poorbuthappy]

Had a chinwag with my local electrician. He reckons leccy cars can be charged from a 13 amp socket, albeit a bit slow. No need to spend £1500- £2k on a special charger.
True / False ???

I know prices have gone up for everything, but we paid under 1k fitted for zappi charge point

 

[Farfrae]

No need to wait for it to charge just swab the battery unit out like they were doing 80 years ago. ;-)

 

[Lincsman]

Had a chinwag with my local electrician. He reckons leccy cars can be charged from a 13 amp socket, albeit a bit slow. No need to spend £1500- £2k on a special charger.
True / False ???

According to Ford, yes you can, but don't expect it to charge fully overnight after getting home at 6pm with a nearly dead battery.

 

[Percy Veer]

Had a chinwag with my local electrician. He reckons leccy cars can be charged from a 13 amp socket, albeit a bit slow. No need to spend £1500- £2k on a special charger.
True / False ???

True. It charges at about 8 miles per hour. (Kia)
However buried in the depths of the manual it says not to charge from an ordinary socket when the battery is nearly full as it can overcharge

 

[Lincsman]

Had a chinwag with my local electrician. He reckons leccy cars can be charged from a 13 amp socket, albeit a bit slow. No need to spend £1500- £2k on a special charger.
True / False ???

It might be the only way in future due to the cable in the street not being big enough. Hence electric board warning residents where the gas supply flooded in Yorkshire not to buy lots of electric heaters.

 

[sjt01]

Had a chinwag with my local electrician. He reckons leccy cars can be charged from a 13 amp socket, albeit a bit slow. No need to spend £1500- £2k on a special charger.
True / False ???

My car takes about 36 hours to fully charge from a 13A plug, mainly because only 10A is allowed for continuous use otherwise the plug and socket burn out. The 13 A rating is only for a few minutes, such as boiling a kettle. A charge point should cost much less than £500, but depending on where it is to be fitted, and the state of the distribution board, might cost a bit to install. The regs have recently got stricter. Really a charge point should provide at least 7kW, preferably 11 kW. We have 3 phase and get 22 kW, which can be shared between 2 charge points or if only one car is connected it can get the lot.

 

[Vader]

For those saying hydrogen is the real answer:

https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/135/science-and-technology-committee/news/175146/hydrogen-is-not-a-panacea-for-reaching-net-zero-warn-mps/

"Hydrogen is not a panacea for reaching the Net Zero emissions reductions by 2050 but can grow to become “a big niche” fuel in particular sectors and applications, the Commons Science and Technology Committee concludes in a new Report."

"The Committee concludes that hydrogen is not likely to be practically and economically viable for mass use in the short and medium term for heating homes or fuelling passenger cars due to the significant cost, technological and infrastructure challenges associated, as well as the “unassailable” market lead held by alternatives such as electric cars.

Currently, hydrogen is overwhelmingly produced from fossil-fuel intensive processes. Efficient production of low-carbon ‘green’ hydrogen relies on abundant cheap renewable electricity and so-called ‘blue’ hydrogen requires Carbon Capture and Storage, which is not deployed at the large scale required to make a material contribution to emissions reductions. Given this, the Committee says it is “unwise” to assume hydrogen can make a large contribution to reducing UK greenhouse gas emissions in the short and medium term."

Bit of a strange 1 that...
Hydrogen not good as electric cars already got a good start...

Hydrogen relies on cheap renewable electric.. hmm so EV dont...? They can rely on electic from fossil fuels and still be green then can they...?

Did not think anyone thought about using hydrogen to heat homes.

Who did the report, defra staff...?

 

[sjt01]

Bit of a strange 1 that...
Hydrogen not good as electric cars already got a good start...

Hydrogen relies on cheap renewable electric.. hmm so EV dont...? They can rely on electic from fossil fuels and still be green then can they...?

Did not think anyone thought about using hydrogen to heat homes.

Who did the report, defra staff...?

Hydrogen is a rubbish way to store energy unless you have free electricity. It might be an excellent way to make steel, but as a transport energy store it is so inefficient compared to battery electric - you get at least 3 times the amount of energy at the wheels by storing electricity in a battery compared to converting to hydrogen and back.
Hydrogen for heating is a similar argument, if you want to use gas then use biomethane from waste food.

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

And hydrogen is as explosive as petrol. A bigger risk on the road in collisions than a LiFePo battery.

 

[sjt01]

And hydrogen is as explosive as petrol. A bigger risk on the road in collisions than a LiFePo battery.

And hydrogen, being the smallest molecule, will diffuse through many materials. It has very high energy density weight wise, but terrible on volume so need to compress to very high pressure, needing heavy tanks to contain it.

 

[ollie989898]

Hydrogen is a complete PITA unless it is being obtained for free. You can store it as ammonia though which is a darn sight easier.

 

[Widgetone]

What a palaver..I'm going to buy a pony rather than be doing with all this when my ICE finally expires...

 

[Vader]

And hydrogen, being the smallest molecule, will diffuse through many materials. It has very high energy density weight wise, but terrible on volume so need to compress to very high pressure, needing heavy tanks to contain it.

Saw something recently that some company developed a container lining that's hydrogen proof.

 

[chickens and wheat]

You could run a car from a 13 amp socket but you would have to plug in as often as possible and not do long journeys on consecutive days.

We ran ours like that for 2 weeks before the wall box got installed.

Forget to plug in or have trip/fuse issue and your charging soon lags behind.

 

[Vader]

Hydrogen | Building a Greener Future | JCB.com

JCB's road to zero, our Hydrogen strategy

www.jcb.com

THERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE – IT’S HYDROGEN!​

Engineers at JCB Power Systems, our engine factory in Derbyshire, UK, have developed the first hydrogen motor in our industry. Using and adapting established engine technology with readily available components, hydrogen is combusted and power is delivered in exactly the same way as a diesel engine. And now, our prototype backhoe loader, fitted with this new hydrogen motor, can do everything its diesel-powered equivalent can do.

What’s more, the technology is far less complicated than hydrogen fuel-cell technology. Nothing but steam is emitted from the tailpipe. Zero CO2 at point of use.

 

[sjt01]

Hydrogen | Building a Greener Future | JCB.com

JCB's road to zero, our Hydrogen strategy

www.jcb.com

THERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE – IT’S HYDROGEN!​

Engineers at JCB Power Systems, our engine factory in Derbyshire, UK, have developed the first hydrogen motor in our industry. Using and adapting established engine technology with readily available components, hydrogen is combusted and power is delivered in exactly the same way as a diesel engine. And now, our prototype backhoe loader, fitted with this new hydrogen motor, can do everything its diesel-powered equivalent can do.

What’s more, the technology is far less complicated than hydrogen fuel-cell technology. Nothing but steam is emitted from the tailpipe. Zero CO2 at point of use.

But even less efficient than hydrogen fuel cell! Will cost a fortune to run.

 

[Vader]

But even less efficient than hydrogen fuel cell! Will cost a fortune to run.

But as he says, fuel cells not practical in some places.

 

[Lakesdigger]

The problem is electric isn't the answer for all industries. Yes if the charging network is sorted and everyone had an electric car it could work. "But where will all the electric come from?" Simple if everyone had a leccy car plugged in they would also act as nationwide battery storage for high demand periods, problem being human nature and unplugging when cars full so nobody gets ur leccy.
Leccy ain't gonna work for tractors plant trucks etc. There will be something else be it hydrogen or a hydrogen blend or otherwise and this will need to have its own infrastructure and when this is rolled out it will filter into cars as well. Right now leccy cars are like all renewable energies when they first came out. If you can afford one and it suits your lifestyle the possibility of cheap motoring is there now just doesn't suit everyone.

 

[Dave645]

The problem is electric isn't the answer for all industries. Yes if the charging network is sorted and everyone had an electric car it could work. "But where will all the electric come from?" Simple if everyone had a leccy car plugged in they would also act as nationwide battery storage for high demand periods, problem being human nature and unplugging when cars full so nobody gets ur leccy.
Leccy ain't gonna work for tractors plant trucks etc. There will be something else be it hydrogen or a hydrogen blend or otherwise and this will need to have its own infrastructure and when this is rolled out it will filter into cars as well. Right now leccy cars are like all renewable energies when they first came out. If you can afford one and it suits your lifestyle the possibility of cheap motoring is there now just doesn't suit everyone.

to be honest its green fuel or Efuel, you can carbon capture and make efuels, diesel, petrol, that is the answer to difficult to swop to anything else jobs, will it be cheap no, but it will stop negative carbon emissions and if its restricted to essential uses it can be done. but it also requires nearly free electric energy to make it affordable.