50KW produces £15K instead of £29k yearly

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Do you have a video showing your claims? output of a dirty versus a coated panel.

It shouldn’t be hard to do/show?

HERE IS AN ENGINEERING REPORT - SIGNED BY AN ENGINEER. SOME PANELS WERE TREATED IN CALIFORNIA, AND THEY WERE COMPARED TO PANELS THAT WERE UNCLEANED.
 

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All this water you are sprinkling on the panels will just end up as limescale, whose gonna clean that off??
No matter how much insulation you have on a pipe, if the water is not moving it WILL freeze.
If this system worked solar panels would be manufactured with built in cleaners.
The more you carry on about this nonsence the less people will believe you. Obviously no one wants this scam product or you wouldn't be on here trying to sell it over and over.
I install large PV systems over 100kw they do not need cleaning. If it was financially viable then they would get cleaned but its not.
One of our 90kw dusty field sites this summer, with no rainfall for 2 months, has outproduced the last 4 years by at least 20%.
You should be selling SUNSHINE.

BELOW IS AN ENGINEERING REPORT. SIGNED.

 

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All this water you are sprinkling on the panels will just end up as limescale, whose gonna clean that off??
No matter how much insulation you have on a pipe, if the water is not moving it WILL freeze.
If this system worked solar panels would be manufactured with built in cleaners.
The more you carry on about this nonsence the less people will believe you. Obviously no one wants this scam product or you wouldn't be on here trying to sell it over and over.
I install large PV systems over 100kw they do not need cleaning. If it was financially viable then they would get cleaned but its not.
One of our 90kw dusty field sites this summer, with no rainfall for 2 months, has outproduced the last 4 years by at least 20%.
You should be selling SUNSHINE.

In response to your claim that "If this system worked solar panels would be manufactured with built in cleaners" :

Pls see solar systems with built-in cleaners. Are they making an unwise investment ?


 
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We don’t get California sunshine

True, the UK does not get the same sunshine as California, but we probably get more rainfall than California - pros and cons.

Moreover, when a panel in the UK is treated and another is UN-treated, you will still get almost the same percentage difference in efficiency increase. The percentage increase in earnings will be much bigger - WHEN THE PANELS HAVE NEVER BEEN CLEANED BEFORE. A panel that has never been cleaned for about 2 to 5 years, can be producing at about 40% less.

Once treated, the lose in efficiency will be back to zero. With no sprinkler, the lose in efficiency will bounce back to around 20% , and so, there would still be an increase of about 20% year in year out. Maybe 15%, but it will never be below 10% increase.

IF YOU DO THE COATING ONLY... CHECK THE FIGURES FOR 3 TO 5 YEARS, and if satisfied, blast your FEED-IN-TARIFF off the roof by adding the SPRINKLER SYSTEM. You will be doing about 5% LOSS YEARLY.

35% LOSS IN efficiency is expected when panels are hardly ever cleaned. Coating will push it down by 17.5% and sprinkler will push it down another 17.5%. 5% loss is assumed, but, you really can do 2% or 1% or loss in efficiency.

Who knows.... we can only estimate.
 
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Yes. You’re comparing USA to UK pollution and sunshine.

Last time I looked Southport beech wasn’t exactly a desert.

We have the technology that will generate you more money. You can not deny it.

Our Coating ONLY will push down your loses, YEAR IN, YEAR OUT, FOR AT LEAST 10 YEARS, UP TO 25 YEARS.

Observe THE PERFORMANCE OF THE COATING on your panels for about 2 years. Once satisfied, blast your FEED-IN-TARIFF off the roof, by adding the sprinkler system.

I rest my case.
 

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If your believe your system is so good and most of the farmers on here are sceptical about your results how about we split the uplift in my solar Pannels over say 4 years if you say it has a one year pay back this would mean that over the 4 years you would get double what you are selling them for !
An amazing return on your investment
We have
1x10 kw
4x4 kw
And 2 3kw systems
Waiting for your reply if you believe in your product ,it will be yes we will be with you next week
Panels were Installed about 8 year ago so good fit payment never been washed
Tom

Just out of curiosity how much less are you getting from your panels after 8 years unwashed?
 

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Just out of curiosity how much less are you getting from your panels after 8 years unwashed?
Not much. About 5% unless thick with mud.

We have the technology that will generate you more money. You can not deny it.

Our Coating ONLY will push down your loses, YEAR IN, YEAR OUT, FOR AT LEAST 10 YEARS, UP TO 25 YEARS.

Observe THE PERFORMANCE OF THE COATING on your panels for about 2 years. Once satisfied, blast your FEED-IN-TARIFF off the roof, by adding the sprinkler system.

I rest my case.
Easy cowboy I ain’t finished. Does your data rely on harsh desert environment as the video suggests to make a difference?
 
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UK
Not much. About 5% unless thick with mud.


Easy cowboy I ain’t finished. Does your data rely on harsh desert environment as the video suggests to make a difference?

THE COATING WORKS IN ALL ENVIRONMENT.
THE COATING IS TITANIUM BASED - TITANIUM IS A NATURALLY OCCURRING ELEMENT.
TITANIUM HAS NATURAL SELF-CLEANING PROPERTIES.
TITANIUM IS NUMBER 22 ON THE PERIODIC ELEMENT TABLE.
TITANIUM HAS AN ATOMIC NUMBER OF 22.
TITANIUM IS A METAL.
TITANIUM IS USED FOR COATING.
BOEING 787 AIRLINER HAS ABOUT 15% WEIGHT OF TITANIUM.
TITANIUM METAL'S INERTNESS, STRENGTH AND FLEXIBILITY - MAKES IT IDEAL FOR MEDICAL IMPLANTS.
TITANIUM METAL INERTNESS MAKES IT - NOT EASILY BONDING WITH DUST & DIRT ON THE PANEL SURFACE.
TITANIUM IS A REACTIVE METAL, OXYGEN FROM THE AIR REACTS WITH IT RAPIDLY, AND A THIN A LAYER OF TITANIUM OXIDE FORMS. THIS IS THE LAYER THAT WE USE TO COVER THE SOLAR PANELS.
THIS LAYER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE METAL'S APPARENT LACK OF REACTIVITY AND IT'S RESISTANCE TO EROSION AND CORROSION.
THE COATING WILL ALSO MAKE THE PANEL SURFACE TO BE ANTI-COROSSIVE. THAT IS WHY THE PANELS LOOK VERY SHINY AFTER THE TREATMENT.
TITANIUM OXIDE IS ALSO CALLED TITANIA.
TITANIUM OXIDE ABSORBS ULTRA-VIOLET LIGHT, SO, IT IS A COMMON INGREDIENT IN SUN-SCREENS. PLEASE BUY ONE AT TESCO AND CHECK THE LIST OF INGREDIENTS.
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.
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WHEN TITANIUM ABSORBS ULTRAVIOLET LIGHT, THE METAL OR COATING PRODUCES HYDROXIDE IONS ( OH- ), WHICH ACT AS FREE RADICALS - REACTIVE MOLECULES THAT CAN BREAK DOWN OIL, BACTERIA, AND OTHER ORGANIC DIRT PARTICLES.
OIL INCLUDES BIRD DROPPINGS, VEHICLE EMISSIONS THAT COVER YOUR WIND-SCREENS AND ARE DIFFICULT TO REMOVE.
ORGANIC DIRT INCLUDES GREEN ALGAE THAT FORMS ON THE PANELS. THE COATING WILL GREATLY REDUCE IT, IF NOT TOTALLY ELIMINATING IT.
.
AS A RESULT, TITANIUM IS USED IN SELF-CLEANING SURFACES,
INCLUDING SELF-CLEANING WINDOWS, GLASS AND SOLAR PANELS.

OUR COATING IS TITANIUM-BASED.
IT WORKS IN ALL ENVIRONMENT AS LONG AS THERE IS ULTRA-VIOLET LIGHT AVAILABLE, THAT IS WHY, THE COATING CLEANS THE PANEL SURFACE DAILY, 365 DAYS A YEAR, FOR UP TO 25 YEARS.
 
THE COATING WORKS IN ALL ENVIRONMENT.
THE COATING IS TITANIUM BASED - TITANIUM IS A NATURALLY OCCURRING ELEMENT.
TITANIUM HAS NATURAL SELF-CLEANING PROPERTIES.
TITANIUM IS NUMBER 22 ON THE PERIODIC ELEMENT TABLE.
TITANIUM HAS AN ATOMIC NUMBER OF 22.
TITANIUM IS A METAL.
TITANIUM IS USED FOR COATING.
BOEING 787 AIRLINER HAS ABOUT 15% WEIGHT OF TITANIUM.
TITANIUM METAL'S INERTNESS, STRENGTH AND FLEXIBILITY - MAKES IT IDEAL FOR MEDICAL IMPLANTS.
TITANIUM METAL INERTNESS MAKES IT - NOT EASILY BONDING WITH DUST & DIRT ON THE PANEL SURFACE.
TITANIUM IS A REACTIVE METAL, OXYGEN FROM THE AIR REACTS WITH IT RAPIDLY, AND A THIN A LAYER OF TITANIUM OXIDE FORMS. THIS IS THE LAYER THAT WE USE TO COVER THE SOLAR PANELS.
THIS LAYER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE METAL'S APPARENT LACK OF REACTIVITY AND IT'S RESISTANCE TO EROSION AND CORROSION.
THE COATING WILL ALSO MAKE THE PANEL SURFACE TO BE ANTI-COROSSIVE. THAT IS WHY THE PANELS LOOK VERY SHINY AFTER THE TREATMENT.
TITANIUM OXIDE IS ALSO CALLED TITANIA.
TITANIUM OXIDE ABSORBS ULTRA-VIOLET LIGHT, SO, IT IS A COMMON INGREDIENT IN SUN-SCREENS. PLEASE BUY ONE AT TESCO AND CHECK THE LIST OF INGREDIENTS.
.
.
.
WHEN TITANIUM ABSORBS ULTRAVIOLET LIGHT, THE METAL OR COATING PRODUCES HYDROXIDE IONS ( OH- ), WHICH ACT AS FREE RADICALS - REACTIVE MOLECULES THAT CAN BREAK DOWN OIL, BACTERIA, AND OTHER ORGANIC DIRT PARTICLES.
OIL INCLUDES BIRD DROPPINGS, VEHICLE EMISSIONS THAT COVER YOUR WIND-SCREENS AND ARE DIFFICULT TO REMOVE.
ORGANIC DIRT INCLUDES GREEN ALGAE THAT FORMS ON THE PANELS. THE COATING WILL GREATLY REDUCE IT, IF NOT TOTALLY ELIMINATING IT.
.
AS A RESULT, TITANIUM IS USED IN SELF-CLEANING SURFACES,
INCLUDING SELF-CLEANING WINDOWS, GLASS AND SOLAR PANELS.

OUR COATING IS TITANIUM-BASED.
IT WORKS IN ALL ENVIRONMENT AS LONG AS THERE IS ULTRA-VIOLET LIGHT AVAILABLE, THAT IS WHY, THE COATING CLEANS THE PANEL SURFACE DAILY, 365 DAYS A YEAR, FOR UP TO 25 YEARS.

What are you shouting for ?
 
This guy does go on a bit.

I’m involved with probably 100,000 panels and interestingly, they don’t have auto washers.

I guess the people who have invested north of £25m aren’t clever enough too see what they have missed.
 
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UK
This guy does go on a bit.

I’m involved with probably 100,000 panels and interestingly, they don’t have auto washers.

I guess the people who have invested north of £25m aren’t clever enough too see what they have missed.


We are not saying that it is un-wise to have a solar farm with no auto-washers. As they say "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder". In essence, everyone goes into an investment for different purposes and if a solar farm investment produces returns that are good enough for you - with no auto-washers installed, then, we congratulate you and wish you well. In essence, we respect your ability to make your own financial decisions.

@rogeriko said to us "If this system worked, solar panels would be manufactured with built in cleaners...
.....................................I install large PV systems over 100kw they do not need cleaning. If it was financially viable then they would get cleaned but its not."
:

In response, we posted a video that shows some commercial panels with built-in cleaners, showing that it is actually financially viable. And that was why we asked him the question below :

" Are they making an unwise investment ?"


We at www.NanoTreat.co.uk have a technology that allows solar panels to be clean 365 days in a year, year in, year out, and we believe that this technology will tremendously benefit owners of solar panels.

Owners can even have the COATING ONLY done first. As many statistics have shown, when panels are not cleaned, they lose up to 35% in efficiency. We have found that our COATING alone, can increase efficiency by around 10 to 35%. An engineering report that we did showed 17% consistently for about 6 months duration of the report.

And so, if a panel is losing 35% in efficiency, when we coat them, they will get back to 0% lose in efficiency within 24 hours. Dirt and dust will come back, but the coating will not allow 35% loses any more but around 17% - and this will increase earnings by around 17%.

And then, once the customer has made some extra money in about 2 to 3 years, they can invest the extra money made, to install the sprinklers - WHICH WOULD DEFINITELY BLAST THE FEED-IN-TARIFF OFF THE ROOF AS the lose in efficiency will probably be less than 5% - YEAR IN, YEAR OUT.

What else can we say ?

We accept that, not everyone will buy our service.

If you buy our service, we thank you. If you don't, we also thank you for at least giving us your audience.

THE ENGINEERING REPORT IS BELOW :
 

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UK
We are not saying that it is un-wise to have a solar farm with no auto-washers. As they say "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder". In essence, everyone goes into an investment for different purposes and if a solar farm investment produces returns that are good enough for you - with no auto-washers installed, then, we congratulate you and wish you well. In essence, we respect your ability to make your own financial decisions.

@rogeriko said to us "If this system worked, solar panels would be manufactured with built in cleaners...
.....................................I install large PV systems over 100kw they do not need cleaning. If it was financially viable then they would get cleaned but its not."
:

In response, we posted a video that shows some commercial panels with built-in cleaners, showing that it is actually financially viable. And that was why we asked him the question below :

" Are they making an unwise investment ?"


We at www.NanoTreat.co.uk have a technology that allows solar panels to be clean 365 days in a year, year in, year out, and we believe that this technology will tremendously benefit owners of solar panels.

Owners can even have the COATING ONLY done first. As many statistics have shown, when panels are not cleaned, they lose up to 35% in efficiency. We have found that our COATING alone, can increase efficiency by around 10 to 35%. An engineering report that we did showed 17% consistently for about 6 months duration of the report.

And so, if a panel is losing 35% in efficiency, when we coat them, they will get back to 0% lose in efficiency within 24 hours. Dirt and dust will come back, but the coating will not allow 35% loses any more but around 17% - and this will increase earnings by around 17%.

And then, once the customer has made some extra money in about 2 to 3 years, they can invest the extra money made, to install the sprinklers - WHICH WOULD DEFINITELY BLAST THE FEED-IN-TARIFF OFF THE ROOF AS the lose in efficiency will probably be less than 5% - YEAR IN, YEAR OUT.

What else can we say ?

We accept that, not everyone will buy our service.

If you buy our service, we thank you. If you don't, we also thank you for at least giving us your audience.

THE ENGINEERING REPORT IS BELOW :


When you have the coating done, we will observe the increase in efficiency for say 1 to 3 years. As individual results will vary due to different geographical situations ;

(1) If the lose in efficiency is say 10% - then, installing sprinklers might not be financially profitable for such a site.
(2) if the lose in efficiency is around 17%, - then, installing sprinklers will help to push up the earnings.
(3) if the lose in efficiency is 20% - definitely install the sprinkler system.
(4) if the lose in efficiency is 25% - definitely install the sprinkler system.
(5) if the lose in efficiency is 30% - THIS WILL BE AN ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE SCENARIO, because the coating will increase the efficiency by around 10 to 35%. And so, 25% lose in efficiency is the highest lose that we expect from a panel that has been coated.

I hope i am making sense.
 
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UK
When you have the coating done, we will observe the increase in efficiency for say 1 to 3 years. As individual results will vary due to different geographical situations ;

(1) If the lose in efficiency is say 10% - then, installing sprinklers might not be financially profitable for such a site.
(2) if the lose in efficiency is around 17%, - then, installing sprinklers will help to push up the earnings.
(3) if the lose in efficiency is 20% - definitely install the sprinkler system.
(4) if the lose in efficiency is 25% - definitely install the sprinkler system.
(5) if the lose in efficiency is 30% - THIS WILL BE AN ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE SCENARIO, because the coating will increase the efficiency by around 10 to 35%. And so, 25% lose in efficiency is the highest lose that we expect from a panel that has been coated.

I hope i am making sense.


In view of this, we are happy to make it easy for customers to have the coating done as affordable as possible.

Upfront cost is £20 plus VAT per panel or per 250 watt. But we can also do, £10 plus VAT initial deposit, per panel, and then 50% share in the INCREASE IN EARNINGS for 3 years only.

From the 4th year, customer keeps all earnings. At the end of the 3rd year, we would also be able to know how the coating is doing and also, we would be able to advise the customer whether to install the SPRINKLER system or not.

If installing the sprinklers would help, we might even agree with the customer to install them on the same terms ( initial deposit plus 50% share for 3 years ).

This sounds fair to us - as we are not just collecting your money and leaving you behind, but we are walking with you, hand in hand.

YOUR SUCCESS = OUR SUCCESS.
 
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