750a user advice please

[Halftrack]

I am starting to design a first attempt at direct drilling..... do you think there would be any merit in a full width set of press tyres in addition to a gutler press wheel? we are on heavy soils and I worry about closing the slot fully and burying all the seed. Hopefully the soils will improve over time but we have to get to that point.

 

[Clive]

I am starting to design a first attempt at direct drilling..... do you think there would be any merit in a full width set of press tyres in addition to a gutler press wheel? we are on heavy soils and I worry about closing the slot fully and burying all the seed. Hopefully the soils will improve over time but we have to get to that point.

No - don't miss the point of what the gutler does

It's not a consolidator, it's role is to close the slot and break any smearing from the disc side of the coulter unit by shattering the sidewall

If a gulter won't close the slot it's too wet, additional rolling won't be a good thing in that situation IMO, a light harrow would be better I reckon

 

[SilliamWhale]

Good advice Clive.

 

[155tm]

No - don't miss the point of what the gutler does

It's not a consolidator, it's role is to close the slot and break any smearing from the disc side of the coulter unit by shattering the sidewall

If a gulter won't close the slot it's too wet, additional rolling won't be a good thing in that situation IMO, a light harrow would be better I reckon

I would agree with that @Clive, I dropped the following harrow down for the last 30 acres after the rain had begun, no chance of rolling it. it would have been better drilled in the dry, but needs must.

@Halftrack when it is dry enough we follow the drill with a roll and clod board, I wonder if a roll and straw harrow combo would also do a good job, and avoid lumping up trash in certain conditions as our roll and clod board can. http://www.louthtractors.co.uk/library/VULCAN_brochure.pdf

 

[SilliamWhale]

Simon C used a chinarrow with his Aitchison this year to good effect I think. I used one once and it blocked it 20 yards but could be an option too

 

[Simon Chiles]

If a gulter won't close the slot it's too wet, additional rolling won't be a good thing in that situation IMO, a light harrow would be better I reckon

Whilst the first bit was true, this bit is only correct on lighter land. On heavier land the Guttlers can sometimes struggle on land that poor soil structure. The rolls and paddle boards can be a useful additional tool in dry conditions and a straw rake or harrows in wetter conditions. In the case of the OP I wouldn't use packer rolls as a matter of course as you'll probably need different solutions to differing situations, and in any case,as has been suggested, as the soil structure improves so the need for additional passes will lessen.

 

[Halftrack]

Thanks for all the replies, problem will be in the early years as we move from the current sumo based min till system. May get shot down for this suggestion but I am thinking of a flatlift / rake combination straight behind the combine. Our soils can get very wet very quick with no tillage at all and I want to drill later as a consequence of blackgrass. Assuming I can work the flat lift with leading straight discs infront of legs etc to do a very minimal disturbance and a level lift, are you happy the 750a will follow behind a month or two later ok??


Recently saw this, very close to where my bother lives in USA...
http://www.troxelequipment.com/getd...5798360110c/John-Deere-1850-1998-2196574.aspx

I assume it has same openers as 750? might make a good donor to build a 9m meter drill? would appreciate your thoughts. Thanks.

 

[SilliamWhale]

Thanks for all the replies, problem will be in the early years as we move from the current sumo based min till system. May get shot down for this suggestion but I am thinking of a flatlift / rake combination straight behind the combine. Our soils can get very wet very quick with no tillage at all and I want to drill later as a consequence of blackgrass. Assuming I can work the flat lift with leading straight discs infront of legs etc to do a very minimal disturbance and a level lift, are you happy the 750a will follow behind a month or two later ok??


Recently saw this, very close to where my bother lives in USA...
http://www.troxelequipment.com/getd...5798360110c/John-Deere-1850-1998-2196574.aspx

I assume it has same openers as 750? might make a good donor to build a 9m meter drill? would appreciate your thoughts. Thanks.

done a bit of Dd behind a sumo grassland tool which had arable legs. Worked fine. Would still use it if I felt needed to now and again but soils are quite good here at moment. Flatlift would be fine as long as packer roller was ok.

That drill would be ok but do your research on 1850's as there is some differences - ask on newagtalk or someone in the states like Needham or Hagny for a 2nd opinion, get someone to buy the parts for you in the USA and chuck them in the hopper though. And check the spacings are what you want

 

[Clive]

Thanks for all the replies, problem will be in the early years as we move from the current sumo based min till system. May get shot down for this suggestion but I am thinking of a flatlift / rake combination straight behind the combine. Our soils can get very wet very quick with no tillage at all and I want to drill later as a consequence of blackgrass. Assuming I can work the flat lift with leading straight discs infront of legs etc to do a very minimal disturbance and a level lift, are you happy the 750a will follow behind a month or two later ok??


Recently saw this, very close to where my bother lives in USA...
http://www.troxelequipment.com/getd...5798360110c/John-Deere-1850-1998-2196574.aspx

I assume it has same openers as 750? might make a good donor to build a 9m meter drill? would appreciate your thoughts. Thanks.

For rake to be effective you need speed and you wont have that if your flatlifting ?

Why subsoil unless you have known compaction ? I know its a leap of faith but less is more

1850 is the same coulter, transport width too much for uk - you say donor are you planning on a from scratch build or using frame / hopper from something else ?

 

[Halftrack]

Clive, probably build from scratch but not sure of exactly what I am trying to achieve yet, lots more research needed. Don't fancy dropping output to a 6 meter if I`m honest, would like to apply fert too and always enjoy the challenge of a build

 

[SilliamWhale]

Clive, probably build from scratch but not sure of exactly what I am trying to achieve yet, lots more research needed. Don't fancy dropping output to a 6 meter if I`m honest, would like to apply fert too and always enjoy the challenge of a build

how many acres have you got to drill in autumn and spring respectively? You can do 100 acs a day with a 6m I expect. £40k should get you a reasonable used 6m from Europe and its something to sell if you don't get on with it.

 

[Clive]

Clive, probably build from scratch but not sure of exactly what I am trying to achieve yet, lots more research needed. Don't fancy dropping output to a 6 meter if I`m honest, would like to apply fert too and always enjoy the challenge of a build

I have many times contemplated the build of a wide 750 but the more you look at it the more complex it gets - the coulters rely on weight so I'm not sure how you maintain that at wider widths to keep coulter pressure, the 3 or 4m is the best drill in that respect ie weight per coulter which in the dry you need

Extension of a 6m to 8 or 9 would be reasonable straight forward through addition of wings and coulter bar from a 4or 6 m I guess

They are a deceptive drill though, we get a lot more done in a day with a 4m than I would have felt possible if I wanted additional capacity I think it would make more sense to run more than one drill

As will says these drills have rock soils used values where as a home build will be pretty worthless - I would run a used drill for at least a season to see how you get on before building something so niche

Adding fert is easy enough if you use liquid, not so easy with soild though but it has been done - they are a drill that does need modification so plenty to play with

 

[SilliamWhale]

http://www.agriaffaires.co.uk/used/no-till-seed-drill/3957869/john-deere-750a.html

This looks a nice buy. I think its 5m which is a bit weird but it is in good nick. Not too much to spend after..

 

[Clive]

http://www.agriaffaires.co.uk/used/no-till-seed-drill/3957869/john-deere-750a.html

This looks a nice buy. I think its 5m which is a bit weird but it is in good nick. Not too much to spend after..

Anyone know the story with that drill ? Been mention on here before by @Feldspar

Odd hopper and external distribution head, front steps, large rear wheels etc

Is it a prototype of some sort or a home build using 750 a coulters ? No marker arm lead me to believe its home build as sure a manufacturer would always fit them ?

Looks good though, the mods make sense

 

[wolle]

If it had 6m with 36 rows it would have been sold already. These are usually in high demand.

 

[Clive]

If it had 6m with 36 rows it would have been sold already. These are usually in high demand.

Yes a used 6m is a rare thing indeed, used 750a's are never for sale long

 

[Alistair Nelson]

Looking at that French one think it has been professionally made as lots of solid hyd piping and isobus. Plus looks like standard hopper and main frame. But different accord bits and axle. Where are they made normally in Europe or in the Us. Just wonder if it is a Western European preproduction model or one heavily modded by or for JD France abit like Those lemken or amazone grain and fert drills for Scotland. Certainly not a home made job.

Alistair

 

[Simon Chiles]

Thanks for all the replies, problem will be in the early years as we move from the current sumo based min till system. May get shot down for this suggestion but I am thinking of a flatlift / rake combination straight behind the combine. Our soils can get very wet very quick with no tillage at all and I want to drill later as a consequence of blackgrass. Assuming I can work the flat lift with leading straight discs infront of legs etc to do a very minimal disturbance and a level lift, are you happy the 750a will follow behind a month or two later ok??.

I would flat lift a field that was suffering from compaction straight behind the combine, however you must roll it back down otherwise you'll just end up with a swamp if it rains. You can then drill it at a later date. Also make sure that it really is compacted, there is a difference between compaction and consolidation.

 

[Clive]

Looking at that French one think it has been professionally made as lots of solid hyd piping and isobus. Plus looks like standard hopper and main frame. But different accord bits and axle. Where are they made normally in Europe or in the Us. Just wonder if it is a Western European preproduction model or one heavily modded by or for JD France abit like Those lemken or amazone grain and fert drills for Scotland. Certainly not a home made job.

Alistair

Certainly looks a decent job

 

[Bob lincs]

This is our low disturbance disc/tine/presswhee/rake combo , we use it in front of our 750 a where needed . 5.5 meter 8"-10" deep at 12 kph