A question to those with experience of Dicurane

[czechmate]

We have a product here (one called Vario) that has the same make up as dicurane used to have.
I have some here for use but never managed to get any on.
When I used to use it in the uk, it was always in November (usually seemed to be during children in need week) and actually I can’t remember how effective it was.
So, I have some areas that are quite dirty, wild oats, a bad patch for charlock but I can’t see much yet, always plenty of cranesbill and buttercups (acid soil), no black grass here.
Thinking it will be a false spring in February when I get to this, will this dicurane type chem do a useful job or would I be better keeping it for another year and move on to Atlantis (bizarrely here, Atlantis has no label recommendation for autumn, only fir the end of winter into spring.
Crops are wheat and triticale, plus the same situation with barley, I think I’ll use it on the barley as no Atlantis option of course.
Patches are bad for wild oats so I would rather like to control them

Tia

 

[Andy26]

Make sure the varieties you are growing are tolerant of CTU first.
Best applied to moist cool soils, so your Nov timing was spot on.
Weeds could be quite large by Feb, so by then Atlantis type products probably best.

 

[czechmate]

Make sure the varieties you are growing are tolerant of CTU first.
Best applied to moist cool soils, so your Nov timing was spot on.
Weeds could be quite large by Feb, so by then Atlantis type products probably best.

Thanks Andy - wheat is soisant (sp) so that’s ok
what size wild oats do you think it controls? (They do seem to be racing away at the moment)

 

[Andrew K]

Mark,
Just out of interest, are you allowed to use Neonics in France under emergency powers on rape and beet crops these days?

 

[czechmate]

Mark,
Just out of interest, are you allowed to use Neonics in France under emergency powers on rape and beet crops these days?

As far as I am aware - just sugar beet.
I don’t know how they get osr to grow here anyway - last two years havnt seen rain between mid June and mid September

 

[Andrew K]

British sugar beet looked knackered by virus this year, most say yields were awful.

 

[czechmate]

British sugar beet looked knackered by virus this year, most say yields were awful.

French was a disaster this year, hence this temporary amnesty

 

[Barleymow]

Dad left a load in the sprayer tank once nearly had to dig it out

 

[fluke]

is Dicurane still legal in France?

 

[czechmate]

is Dicurane still legal in France?

It came back
I’ve since been told it has in the UK too?

 

[Brisel]

Nothing approved here other than a blend of CTU, DFF and PDM as Tower from Adama. I don't know how much is used these days. The CTU dose/ha is much less than it used to be so efficacy is less. It was turning up in water, hence the reduced ai dose.

 

[czechmate]

Tower 500g/ha,
My Varia (also adama) 1800g/ha

 

[Flat 10]

Tower 500g/ha,
My Varia (also adama) 1800g/ha

Jealous.

 

[shakerator]

Tower 500g/ha,
My Varia (also adama) 1800g/ha

doubt thatwill control large wild oats
Used to be allowed 3500 g/ha here
Would have good bg activity at these levels

I always thought it was harsh on the crop and topik / axial far kinder for just wild oats

 

[yellow belly]

doubt thatwill control large wild oats
Used to be allowed 3500 g/ha here
Would have good bg activity at these levels

I always thought it was harsh on the crop and topik / axial far kinder for just wild oats

avadex much better controlling wild oats

 

[czechmate]

avadex much better controlling wild oats

Is that a possibility still?

 

[yellow belly]

Is that a possibility still?

Use Avadex on wheat and barley and linseed

 

[nxy]

It never fails to amaze me how things vary between the UK and France.

Avadex in france is liquid form only (480g/litre) and legal on sugar beet, rape, peas, clover, linseed, sunflowers and barley.

Not allowed on wheat at all and on barley only allowed if incorporated pre drilling.

 

[Flat 10]

It never fails to amaze me how things vary between the UK and France.

Avadex in france is liquid form only (480g/litre) and legal on sugar beet, rape, peas, clover, linseed and barley.

Not allowed on wheat at all and on barley only allowed if incorporated pre drilling.

Me neither. Ag chems have varied quite a lot across the EU which I always found very odd.

 

[czechmate]

It never fails to amaze me how things vary between the UK and France.

Avadex in france is liquid form only (480g/litre) and legal on sugar beet, rape, peas, clover, linseed, sunflowers and barley.

Not allowed on wheat at all and on barley only allowed if incorporated pre drilling.

Atlantis in my mind is an autumn herbicide, switching to Pacifica in the spring. Here, Atlantis is only for use after the end of winter.
Mind, I was in and out of terrena a bit in the autumn and I couldn’t help but notice the pallets of it came and went and came and went