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They’ll lose south Belfast for certain
A significant day for democracy in Northern Ireland
- Thread starter The Agrarian
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They’ll lose south Belfast for certain
M-J-G
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It's just a handful of extremists that oppose it, I'm sure they aren't all like that.
M-J-G
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Yesterday's result on NI law on gay marriage etc. just keeps NI same as the rest of the UK, surely more similarities between NI and the rest of the UK is a good thing for Unionists.
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Said he with a large dollop of insincerity, knowing full well the laws on that are much the same in the republic.
If Westminster has decided to legislate for us, it shouldn't just pull cheap stunts like that one. It should get on with the administration of government that's currently strangling our public services, and cull our sick Badgers while it's at it.
I do think the government was right to withhold direct rule for a year or 18months to allow some rot to set in, and show the public that its necessary for someone to be in the driving seat of public services. However, we are well past that, and I think the government would be doing us all a service by reinstating the SOS in the role of administrator. Surely the general public or either colour would be glad to see money released to their public services, and waiting lists come down etc. And if local politicians decide unblock local democracy, then I'm sure the PM will happily and swiftly pull the SOS off the case.
M-J-G
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Sorry I'm not familiar with Irish laws, they don't really interest me.
I just find it odd that NI wants separate status on gay rights etc. to the other parts of the country that they want to remain part of.
Sweepa
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Feels good to join the rest of the uk in the 21st century, the hateful minority are slowly fading into irrelevance
Boohoo
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Proper debate should've been held in Westminster with public consultation before a change in the law, rather than tacking an amendment onto a bill, having 20 minutes of debate, changing the law and then holding the public consultation.
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- Beragh, Co Tyrone, Northern Ireland
The irony is of course is that the main proponents of this legislation Stella Creasy and Connor McGinn are members of a party that refuses to stand for election in this part of the UK. The Conservatives are at least willing to contest elections in NI.
Yet they appear to have no concern about the ongoing the lack of either a devolved NI Government or in the absence of one direct rule from Westminster.
As @The Agrarian states the badger cull programme is just one of many projects/initiatives that simply require ministerial sign off to begin roll out.
Yet they appear to have no concern about the ongoing the lack of either a devolved NI Government or in the absence of one direct rule from Westminster.
As @The Agrarian states the badger cull programme is just one of many projects/initiatives that simply require ministerial sign off to begin roll out.
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boumaticboy
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That comment of “ hateful minority “ shows a lack of respect to people who think differently to you. Not on ?
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We have to assume he's referring foremost to conservative Catholics...
boumaticboy
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Everyone is entitled to an opinion
IF i were to call a certain group of people the"hateful minority" whether it be gays Islam or whatever the BBC and the media would come down on me like a ton of bricks.i would find myself on a charge of hate crime from the police. respect works both ways?
What feels good about making it legal to end the life of another human being?
M-J-G
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Why on earth would I be interested in the religion of who opposed it?
Why does this have to be about religion?
It's so small minded to allow a religion/cult to dictate ones opinion.
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The implication of your post, and I quote,
"I just find it odd that NI wants separate status on gay rights etc. to the other parts of the country that they want to remain part of."
- is that it is only Protestant unionists who wanted a devolved decision on those matters, when in all likelihood, there is on the face of it much interest in it on both sides. Twas you who was trying to tie the topic to one community.
M-J-G
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And you bring religion into it again and imply that it is me, I rarely talk about religion, mythology or superstition.
I find it sad that in 2019 that some people find the need to bring religious/cult beliefs and behaviour into these topics.
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To be fair it is a bit of a chicken and egg situation. It is impossible not to bring religion into it because it is already part of it. Unfortunately, other than becoming agnostic like me, I see no way out of it.
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No that's a cop out actually. You want to back track and protest that you made no implication that religions were involved, when given your level of background knowledge of Northern Ireland (being from there yourself!), you couldn't NOT know the role of religions in influencing people's thinking on this. And the fact that you stated 'they want to be a part of (UK)' means you were pointing directly to the religious quarters of Unionism I.e. the DUP and TUV. Sorry, but I won't let you out of that one.
M-J-G
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If I wanted to make a remark about a religeon I would not hesitate to do so, so there is no need for me to back track or cop out, if I wanted to criticise a religion it would be made plainly and would not be disguised.
You were quick to point out for some odd reason that some catholics had opposed a change in law, I fail to see why you would specifically mention that to me, why do you think I would care what anyone of any religion thinks, and why I would care specifically what Catholics do. That still puzzles me.
Do you assume that I anyone who opposes any of your ideals and beliefs is Catholic, if so, you are pretty stupid to assume in this case. I had you down as smarter than that if I'm to be honest.
When I say "they" in any circumstance, I refer to a group that I am not part of, since I was not part of any groups that offered opinion on changes in law, everyone on any side of the debate is "they" as far as I'm concerned.
You start a thread about a democracy in NI and then drag your own thread into the gutter by bringing religion into it, oh the Irony. Well done.
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No. You knew very well that what you were saying implicated the DUP, and their historic link to conservative protestantism. It's perfectly clear you singled them out by saying 'they' wanted to be a part of the UK while having different laws on abortion. Even the most unenlightened among us knows that Irish Nationalists call themselves that for a reason - they DON'T want to be part of the UK. It was clear you were picking on one grouping.
I didn't say you were criticising a religion either. Another diversionary answer.
This is precisely why I pointed out to you that the view on abortion was not held exclusively by conservative protestants, but also by conservative Catholics. Nor do I make either criticism or recommendation of this fact. Merely that it exists, so that your readers be not misled into thinking these views were only held by some Protestants.
I didn't say you were criticising a religion either. Another diversionary answer.
This is precisely why I pointed out to you that the view on abortion was not held exclusively by conservative protestants, but also by conservative Catholics. Nor do I make either criticism or recommendation of this fact. Merely that it exists, so that your readers be not misled into thinking these views were only held by some Protestants.
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