Access to home via farm track

[tepapa]

Sadly when bitterness and hatred fill your life, any rational thinking goes out the window.

Many threads on here end up or even start with slating non farming people, somehow portraying that this industry is full of saints, and I often reflect back when reading the threads about not being able to keep staff etc, whilst interacting on threads like this.
Maybe the extremely long days working alone affect this kind of mindset, I do not know - but it is quite alarming that it is always everyone else's fault - never theirs.

For me, I can accept that there are good and bad in all walks, and I have found many individuals from all sectors looking to screw over the next person, and many on here will be no different but try to make out they are.

I thought it was common knowledge that farmers are on the bottom rung of the social ladder and looked down on at all opportunity. since we are killing the planet with cows, ruining the environment and killing off all the wildlife habitats/diversity, they make noise and dust working along houses sometime even into the night and drive slow moving vehicles on the road, oh and did I mention they kill animals for fun.
Oh don't forget farmers try and stop people going where ever they like, are forever telling people to put dogs on leads and to top it off they won't allow other to fence off tracks so they don't have to open gates and pick up sheep sh!t.
We don't even need farmers, because we can buy all our food from Tesco.

 

[Pringles]

The op said that she had put 80 to 100 tons of tar plannings on to the track "costing several thousand pounds".

Did she buy the plannings from a legitimate source? I think she has been shafted by whoever supplied the material as the going rate for plannings around here is £7 per ton delivered.

Just going by the picture which she has posted, if the pail of sh!te that she has picked was tipped back out on to the track (obviously to demonstrate the huge quantities involved) then there is no way that anyone would have paid good money for that material as plannings.

 

[Ukjay]

I thought it was common knowledge that farmers are on the bottom rung of the social ladder and looked down on at all opportunity. since we are killing the planet with cows, ruining the environment and killing off all the wildlife habitats/diversity, they make noise and dust working along houses sometime even into the night and drive slow moving vehicles on the road, oh and did I mention they kill animals for fun.
Oh don't forget farmers try and stop people going where ever they like, are forever telling people to put dogs on leads and to top it off they won't allow other to fence off tracks so they don't have to open gates and pick up sheep sh!t.
We don't even need farmers, because we can buy all our food from Tesco.

Sadly I don't share your obvious sarcastic perspective on the farming industry overall, and respect the ones I have dealings with, plus support local farmers produce etc.
However, like I stated, - I do see and know there are good and bad in all sectors, and as such, I treat people as I find them - and act accordingly.

Ironically, within your podium speach, you missed out the bit whereby you lecture me about you actively feeding the world, and we should treat you like God's.. and yield before you!!

Gees, this thread has shown an even darker side to the industry, and the apparent inbuilt hatred towards anyone outside this industry.

Maybe your sarcastic response is partly what this whole situation needs. In that the public are actively encouraged to boycott British produce when people like you are involved - hell, it could potentially pave the way for other less hostile and bitter members who have not inherited bad feelings towards all outsiders gaining a foothold... Or had any chance of getting into the industry thwarted because all the old bitter and twisted individuals are hanging on too long milking the gravy train whilst continuing the bitterness mantra..

 

[Ffermer Bach]

Not sure road plannings are the best thing, some will soften when its hot and roll down hard others seem to just stay like gravel and wash out,
Potholes in old stone tracks can be a pain to fill as stuff seems to wash back out again and it don't seem that the plannings have gone to hard in this case.

Perhaps putting forward some solutions may be a good idea rather than arguing over the problems.
The farmer has said she can fill the potholes so whats the best thing to fill them with?

we had part of our track filled with rubble over 20 years ago, very good operator on the machine, and he put a camber so any water ran sideways off the track, and with 64" of rain a year it is still fine. I can't overemphasise how important the camber and thought of how to get the water off the track is and stop it running "down" the track. It always used to amaze me how few roads were built with this in mind!

 

[Ffermer Bach]

we had part of our track filled with rubble over 20 years ago, very good operator on the machine, and he put a camber so any water ran sideways off the track, and with 64" of rain a year it is still fine. I can't overemphasise how important the camber and thought of how to get the water off the track is and stop it running "down" the track. It always used to amaze me how few roads were built with this in mind!

will add, can be a bummer when the track is lower than the field, other tracks I ended up putting grips in, and they keep filling with silt, real pain, but it was either grips or 100's of tons of fill!

 

[Dry Rot]

I thought everyone knew that a bit of sh!t on a country vehicle is necessary to protect the valuable paint work from stone chips thrown up by other vehicles.

 

[tepapa]

Sadly I don't share your obvious sarcastic perspective on the farming industry overall, and respect the ones I have dealings with, plus support local farmers produce etc.
However, like I stated, - I do see and know there are good and bad in all sectors, and as such, I treat people as I find them - and act accordingly.

Ironically, within your podium speach, you missed out the bit whereby you lecture me about you actively feeding the world, and we should treat you like God's.. and yield before you!!

Gees, this thread has shown an even darker side to the industry, and the apparent inbuilt hatred towards anyone outside this industry.

Maybe your sarcastic response is partly what this whole situation needs. In that the public are actively encouraged to boycott British produce when people like you are involved - hell, it could potentially pave the way for other less hostile and bitter members who have not inherited bad feelings towards all outsiders gaining a foothold... Or had any chance of getting into the industry thwarted because all the old bitter and twisted individuals are hanging on too long milking the gravy train whilst continuing the bitterness mantra..

Who said i was in the industry feeding the world. I feed my family and that's about it and I'll do about as much farming as you do. I do have very strong connections with the industry though but please don't take my thoughts as ones from within the industry. I do like to question both sides of the story though not just take the first sob story that comes along.

 

[tepapa]

In that the public are actively encouraged to boycott British produce when people like you are involved -

The public are actively involved to boycot British produce. Do you not read the papers or watch the BBC. The struggle in agriculture is real, there's a thread on here for mental health for a reason and it's used!!. Farmers are bombarded from all angles, I'm glad that that's not your experience but I can assure you it's happening. You'll say I'm sad but pretty much all my friends are involved in agriculture. I hear the effects the propoganda has on them and I fully understand why they feel the need to stand up for themselves, even when they come across as hard faced.

 

[Ukjay]

Who said i was in the industry feeding the world. I feed my family and that's about it and I'll do about as much farming as you do. I do have very strong connections with the industry though but please don't take my thoughts as ones from within the industry. I do like to question both sides of the story though not just take the first sob story that comes along.

I was being like you in your post directed towards me, sarcastic - as there are numerous threads on here where that particular quote gets shoved out there, and I'm aware of some of what you do because I do read many of your posts

 

[Ukjay]

The public are actively involved to boycot British produce. Do you not read the papers or watch the BBC. The struggle in agriculture is real, there's a thread on here for mental health for a reason and it's used!!. Farmers are bombarded from all angles, I'm glad that that's not your experience but I can assure you it's happening. You'll say I'm sad but pretty much all my friends are involved in agriculture. I hear the effects the propoganda has on them and I fully understand why they feel the need to stand up for themselves, even when they come across as hard faced.

You missed the sarcasm of the point, as I was again being sarcastic as you had started along that path with your seemingly biased defense of the industry.

Also, yes I can read and do listen to the news etc, but if you feel the current movement is an actual real drive to move away from British producers - I feel you should take heed that there is far worse that could be done with a more savy person in the driving seat vs the rather dubious efforts you see currently, as most of the end users do not actually know much about farming etc - which yes, is a real serious problem as this industry is pathetic in Marketing the true benefits of local British producers, as someone else will do it for them seems to be the mantra for the most part.

Wheras, on the other hand, the opposition - actually have growing marketing drive with good (not excellent) marketeers, which is where things could escalate a lot faster, and result in a more dire outlook going forward if it is not confronted hard now.

I agree also, and have never nor will I dispute that the industry is in a rather difficult predicament - but ask yourself this:
Why should anyone outside farming care when clearly, as this openly visible platform with many threads show - farmers truly dislike the majority of non farming community with a passion, and would be happy to see them struggle and would as noted on this particular thread - be happier to bulldose a property to prevent a non Farming family reside in the country...

You see, when you constantly throw daggers at people - your own hatred and bitterness clouds rational logic and will come back onto you eventually, and shooting the horse after it has bolted is too late.

Whether you like to accept it or not, this industry needs these so called townies, idiots etc more than they need you, as food will continue to be shipped in, if local producers fail, so be careful what is wished for I would say.

Finally, to your question about me, yes, I too read both sides, and although I have made comments to the opposition side, you will notice that I also added comments to the OP about said Sheep muck etc, and learning to accept this as it is countryside living...

Also, do not take this first interaction as a true vision of the people within this industry..

Ymmv, which is fine - but you continue to disrespect and abuse your customers too often and things will turn worse imho..

 

[kiwi pom]

Makes me laugh that some are still defending the maintenance of the track when from the snippets of facts we've had, yes the farmer may have some maintenance obligations, but the maintenance isn't really an issue as the house owner was happy to apply chippings to re do the track.

The issue is sheep sh!t on the track as apparently it needs picking up every morning. Now if the sheep sh!t is damaging the surface, which the house owner applied, who's in the wrong? The house owner for applying the wrong material or the sheep and its owner?

I don't think I've defended anyone. The maintenance of the track should be sorted fairly easily, it may stay as is or the farmer may have to put his/her hand in their pocket.
The OP asked why there couldn't be a fence erected to keep stock completely off the track, as there was already one on the other side. The farmer said no but to an "incoming townie" that seemed a bit odd, so they asked for other opinions on here. I see nothing wrong with that.
I'm as surprised as the OP at the reaction and thought it would be common sense to fence it.
Apparently not.

 

[tepapa]

I was being like you in your post directed towards me, sarcastic - as there are numerous threads on here where that particular quote gets shoved out there, and I'm aware of some of what you do because I do read many of your posts

You say you where being sarcastic I took it as bullying, and there in lies the problem with internet discussions, it's not ok to tell the op that actually you may not have a right to fence off the track as you only have access but it is alright to insult forum posters that point that out. See post #74. To be fair I only really started to comment on the thread after that post as I was a bit bored yesterday .
It's also interesting how my opinion has been included with with the "agricultural opinions" but, really I could be called an outsider, yet apparently I'm upsetting one of my "customers". Anyhow I will conclude, you have made some valid points and I'm portraying real farmers in a bad light.
Edit: I'm not sure which post your refering to but I can't remember being sarcastic. The industry is under threat.

 

[tepapa]

I don't think I've defended anyone. The maintenance of the track should be sorted fairly easily, it may stay as is or the farmer may have to put his/her hand in their pocket.
The OP asked why there couldn't be a fence erected to keep stock completely off the track, as there was already one on the other side. The farmer said no but to an "incoming townie" that seemed a bit odd, so they asked for other opinions on here. I see nothing wrong with that.
I'm as surprised as the OP at the reaction and thought it would be common sense to fence it.
Apparently not.

I can't disagree with you there but sadly the farmer has said no. Unfortunately some people can't seem to take that as a reasonable answer and need to push on for improvements and modernisation. If the farmer doesn't want to unfortunately there may nothing that can be done.

 

[Ukjay]

You say you where being sarcastic I took it as bullying, and there in lies the problem with internet discussions, it's not ok to tell the op that actually you may not have a right to fence off the track as you only have access but it is alright to insult forum posters that point that out. See post #74. To be fair I only really started to comment on the thread after that post as I was a bit bored yesterday .
It's also interesting how my opinion has been included with with the "agricultural opinions" but, really I could be called an outsider, yet apparently I'm upsetting one of my "customers". Anyhow I will conclude, you have made some valid points and I'm portraying real farmers in a bad light.
Edit: I'm not sure which post your refering to but I can't remember being sarcastic. The industry is under threat.

I had started to add a rather in depth response to your above post to counter your accusation towards me, but I have refrained as clearly your views are unequivocally biased and it would potentially be twisted again, but more importantly; I have reflected upon your own confirmation that most of your friends are in the farming industry, and that I would ponder you may receive significant revenue via your business from providing service to this industry (which I most definitely have no issues with before anyone jumps on that) - thus you are not truly able to see just how this hatred and agressiveness can impact others outside when having to deal with it. Two wrongs do not make it right kind of thing.

You also made a somewhat derogatory comment describing the OP as 'someone like this' which again reflects on your bias and visiblly your own opinion of people outside the industry, so further dialogue on that front is futile, as it is obvious that you are indifferent towards the personal impact this thread may have had upon the OP, who lets face it; as none of us on here have any real knowledge of to the contrary - may / could have been completely innocent and potentillay a tad naive in their quest.
We could have possibly been dealing with someone who is unable to understand this kind of conflict - hence the defensive post made, and has now potentially been made into another member of the Public who may become anti British Farming - so well done on that front.

It has been another real eye opener, that is for certain.

 

[br jones]

I had started to add a rather in depth response to your above post to counter your accusation towards me, but I have refrained as clearly your views are unequivocally biased and it would potentially be twisted again, but more importantly; I have reflected upon your own confirmation that most of your friends are in the farming industry, and that I would ponder you may receive significant revenue via your business from providing service to this industry (which I most definitely have no issues with before anyone jumps on that) - thus you are not truly able to see just how this hatred and agressiveness can impact others outside when having to deal with it. Two wrongs do not make it right kind of thing.

You also made a somewhat derogatory comment describing the OP as 'someone like this' which again reflects on your bias and visiblly your own opinion of people outside the industry, so further dialogue on that front is futile, as it is obvious that you are indifferent towards the personal impact this thread may have had upon the OP, who lets face it; as none of us on here have any real knowledge of to the contrary - may / could have been completely innocent and potentillay a tad naive in their quest.
We could have possibly been dealing with someone who is unable to understand this kind of conflict - hence the defensive post made, and has now potentially been made into another member of the Public who may become anti British Farming - so well done on that front.

It has been another real eye opener, that is for certain.

some very bitter and twisted people about ,when they seem to be asking for help just now,

 

[Ukjay]

some very bitter and twisted people about ,when they seem to be asking for help just now,

Ironic really isn't it, but as I comented earlier - when so much hatred and aggressiveness built up within and it takes a strong footing, empathy and rational thinking goes out of the window, and if challenged - it is never their fault, but always the other people for various reasons!
Fortunately for me - I deal with a few very decent people from within the industry, and as such they will always receive a warm welcome here regardless of how some on here reflect the industry.

Life is too short for all this hostility imho..

 

[betweenthelines]

This thread isn't about farming matters. It's about a dispute between two property owners. I suspect the OP is more disappointed at not getting the answer they wanted, than the occupations of those replying

Anyway, I suspect that ,like me a good number of people who have commented on this thread are not active farmers.

There are a high percentage of posts on TFF that are critical of the BBC-does that mean the BBC should be openly anti-farmer? Or that TFF should not allow posts that are critical of the BBC?

 

[mwj]

A lot of people reply to what they thought they read.If you wade into a conversation based on misconceptions it will soon go off of the rails. Would these people dare ask a question in an area that they are not familiar with?

 

[betweenthelines]

I would just like to say that the OP's original question was fully answered in the first dozen replies-most eloquently by @Goweresque, who also offered an alternative solution.

The rest of the thread was largely due to the OP continuing to look for a reply more to their liking.

 

[mwj]

I would just like to say that the OP's original question was fully answered in the first dozen replies-most eloquently by @Goweresque, who also offered an alternative solution.

The rest of the thread was largely due to the OP continuing to look for a reply more to their liking.

If you were to ask a complex question to a diverse group, would you be satisfied with a brief simple explanation by a very small portion of the group?