Accommodation on dairy farm

coomoo

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Scotland
Whats everyone doing for temporary housing on there dairy units? I know in this area there are a mass of static caravans. Currently on my unit there’s no housing so travel to and from. Local authorities will have none of it regards planning so wondered about something for time being? Any advice would be appreciated. Some local vocal objectors so jfdi is out the window :facepalm:
 

coomoo

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Scotland
For what its worth @coomoo, I think it's bloody ridiculous they won't let you build a house up at your dairy.
Cheers it’s gotten a bit ridiculous now 2 year planning and appeals was turning into a full time job. Considering putting another 60 cubicles in which has actually passed planning if I do then there will be a few hectic months getting it going being on site would be a huge help.
 

bigw

Member
Location
Scotland
Quite a few very dubious 'farmers' have gotten permission for a house around here, one chap had about 20 sheep!! They all get the SRUC to do a report stating the hours that are needed for the care of the animals etc. I think its a load of rubbish and people should be allowed to build where they want.
 

som farmer

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
somerset
don't they have to pass pp if you meet the standard regs laid down by law ? get a proper assessment done then they have to have valid reasons to go against stat regs.
 

coomoo

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Scotland
Been wondering about a log cabin. Where it falls down here is in the local development plan the phrase ‘ suitable available local accommodation ‘. Some guys getting dubious housing on 20 sheep as @bigw says hasn’t helped either.
 
Location
West Wales
We got a second house passed here. When built we will have a herdsman moving into my old bungalow and me and the family into the new house.

Biggest things that swing the favour here was local employment, young family, welsh speaking or learning to speak welsh.

Other angles to push would be lone worker. If you live on farm then there is your family around too that may well save your life one day. AG has terrible accident rate and being lone workers is a massive contributor.

Renting is a dead loss and it pulls affordable rental accommodation off the market that someone else would be able to have if you had a house.

Temporary accodomdation not suitable due to adverse weather conditions

Increased traffic too and from the farm 6 times a day would be normal. More on some occasions

Due to your skill set and availability of land building a house would be considerably cheaper than buying. If buying you’d then be forced to buy affordable accommodation thus taking another house off the market at a time when they are crying out for more houses to be built.

Most importantly you need the support of the local members. Building on AG land is plain and simply against policy so very difficult for planners to go against this. Comity members atleast here in wales can over rule this with far less justification if they feel that’s it right to do so. In our instance they felt that the impact on the area was significantly less than what the addition of another house would bring in the form of bums on seats.
Rural communities are desperate for me people to keep things like schools from closing
 

coomoo

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Scotland
We got a second house passed here. When built we will have a herdsman moving into my old bungalow and me and the family into the new house.

Biggest things that swing the favour here was local employment, young family, welsh speaking or learning to speak welsh.

Other angles to push would be lone worker. If you live on farm then there is your family around too that may well save your life one day. AG has terrible accident rate and being lone workers is a massive contributor.

Renting is a dead loss and it pulls affordable rental accommodation off the market that someone else would be able to have if you had a house.

Temporary accodomdation not suitable due to adverse weather conditions

Increased traffic too and from the farm 6 times a day would be normal. More on some occasions

Due to your skill set and availability of land building a house would be considerably cheaper than buying. If buying you’d then be forced to buy affordable accommodation thus taking another house off the market at a time when they are crying out for more houses to be built.

Most importantly you need the support of the local members. Building on AG land is plain and simply against policy so very difficult for planners to go against this. Comity members atleast here in wales can over rule this with far less justification if they feel that’s it right to do so. In our instance they felt that the impact on the area was significantly less than what the addition of another house would bring in the form of bums on seats.
Rural communities are desperate for me people to keep things like schools from closing
Covered all those points and more. Employed multiple agents etc. Took mine to committee and it all kicked off due to a vote in favour the month before for a house on 4 hectares with sheep. Refuse to cross palms with silver. Took it right to dpea the inspector found it easier to side with planning which is fair enough.
 

honeyend

Member
I know someone who went to appeal on planning for housing to be near sheep, they had a tea caravan, and an old static for storage, next to a green ag shed. The chap from planning said why don't you put the van in the shed and live in that. A lot of people do.
 

Slowcow

Member
Just keep going.....
Took 2 or 3 years and multiple applications here to get planning for our house, I was a right pain, wrote to the whole planning committee etc, it takes time tho, if you go to committee again make sure you talk yourself instead of having a agent talk.
Don't withdraw any applications, a couple of declined ones against you doesn't look good for them.

You've probably done all this and I'm telling you how to suck eggs, its a horrible process when you just want to get on with some farming!

There's a joke round here about getting a shed of planning chickens !

Good luck.
 
We got a second house passed here. When built we will have a herdsman moving into my old bungalow and me and the family into the new house.

Biggest things that swing the favour here was local employment, young family, welsh speaking or learning to speak welsh.

Other angles to push would be lone worker. If you live on farm then there is your family around too that may well save your life one day. AG has terrible accident rate and being lone workers is a massive contributor.

Renting is a dead loss and it pulls affordable rental accommodation off the market that someone else would be able to have if you had a house.

Temporary accodomdation not suitable due to adverse weather conditions

Increased traffic too and from the farm 6 times a day would be normal. More on some occasions

Due to your skill set and availability of land building a house would be considerably cheaper than buying. If buying you’d then be forced to buy affordable accommodation thus taking another house off the market at a time when they are crying out for more houses to be built.

Most importantly you need the support of the local members. Building on AG land is plain and simply against policy so very difficult for planners to go against this. Comity members atleast here in wales can over rule this with far less justification if they feel that’s it right to do so. In our instance they felt that the impact on the area was significantly less than what the addition of another house would bring in the form of bums on seats.
Rural communities are desperate for me people to keep things like schools from closing
I told cornwall planning i could speak welsh. Didnt really make much odds....
 

eulb

Member
Local plantpot put in for a house on an open field 200m from the farm,it got refused then he went to appeal,he never figured they would look into everything,despite getting £30k + in subs he was consistently making a £45k loss,they refused it again on the grounds the business couldn't afford to build a new house.
 

dinderleat

Member
Location
Wells
Someone locally put in planning for a house on a green field site planners didn’t respond to the application soon enough hay presto automatic planning for a 5 bed house in the middle of a field
 

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