Agriculture bill

[Wombat]

Couldn't see a thread on this but if there is one please merge it

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/landmark-agriculture-bill-to-deliver-a-green-brexit

https://www.fwi.co.uk/news/eu-referendum/direct-payments-to-be-phased-out-by-2027

 

[fudge]

Vaguely what everyone is expecting. The other half of the equation, namely the trade agreements post Brexit are equally vague.

 

[oil barron]

Wow. You don’t even have to pretend to be a farmer anymore. Anyone who managed to get the SFP included in CFAs is in for a lottery win.

What’s happening in Scotland?

 

[Muck Spreader]

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Wow. You don’t even have to pretend to be a farmer anymore. Anyone who managed to get the SFP included in CFAs is in for a lottery win.

What’s happening in Scotland?

Yes, it was the bit that caught my eye as well. Be interesting to see the small print behind this.

 

[Pieces_of_Eight]

Let me get this straight.

Unless there are some vaguely worded cross compliance requirements to "keep the land maintained in working order", there will be no requirement to be working the land or deriving an income from it in any way, shape or form?

How can we even begin to shape Post-Brexit policy for decades to come when not even the politicians know what trade agreements will be active (or deceased) after March, which is only 6 months away.

 

[oil barron]

Let me get this straight.

Unless there are some vaguely worded cross compliance requirements to "keep the land maintained in working order", there will be no requirement to be working the land or deriving an income from it in any way, shape or form?

How can we even begin to shape Post-Brexit policy for decades to come when not even the politicians know what trade agreements will be active (or deceased) after March, which is only 6 months away.

The way that reads no requirement even to have land. As long as you claimed SFP in the reference years then you will get a Cheque through to 2027.

 

[oil barron]

Let me get this straight.

Unless there are some vaguely worded cross compliance requirements to "keep the land maintained in working order", there will be no requirement to be working the land or deriving an income from it in any way, shape or form?

How can we even begin to shape Post-Brexit policy for decades to come when not even the politicians know what trade agreements will be active (or deceased) after March, which is only 6 months away.

It does seem like the Cart before the horse. I think the main aim is to show that Gove did something so he is primed for the next leadership race which I think they all know is coming.

 

[toquark]

I'm not sure how de-coupling active farming from the payment will help new entrants in any way. All I'd expect you'd see is people investing in land, doing very little with it and banking a nice sub cheque every year thus continuing to drive land prices up. If anything it could exacerbate the problem with affordability for new entrants.

 

[digger64]

I'm not sure how de-coupling active farming from the payment will help new entrants in any way. All I'd expect you'd see is people investing in land, doing very little with it and banking a nice sub cheque every year thus continuing to drive land prices up. If anything it could exacerbate the problem with affordability for new entrants.

It would in theory remove the sub from the rent tender equation and cosequently the capital required and the effect of averageing over a larger area would be less attractive as the risk would be on the crop or whatever totally

 

[Greythundercloudys]

What happens in Scotland, upland, hill places are helping the environment already, not cutting hedges etc. If we can get a good deal on this brexit and kick this sub problem down the road for 9 years, how knows who will be in charge buy then. Cutting the big boys down a wee bit isn't the worst idea and helping the smaller guy can't be a bad thing either if that's how it's going to work.

 

[Brisel]

It would in theory remove the sub from the rent tender equation and cosequently the capital required and the effect of averageing over a larger area would be less attractive as the risk would be on the crop or whatever totally

BPS and the SFP before it was intended to be separate from rents but that never happened. Expect a 2 tier market IMO.

 

[oil barron]

BPS and SFP before it was intended to be separate from rents but that never happened. Expect a 2 tier market IMO.

Not the way it reads. The dole cheque is completely de-linked from the land. So all land will be subsidy-less. Just folks claiming it in the reference years get a retirement cheque for the next 9 years.

 

[Pieces_of_Eight]

The dole cheque is completely de-linked from the land. So all land will be subsidy-less.

So all rents will drop overnight if all the landowners retain the cheque themselves?

 

[oil barron]

So all rents will drop overnight if all the landowners retain the cheque themselves?

The rents will be whatever farmers are willing to pay. The cheque is retained by whoever received it in the reference years. Could be the landowner or could be the farmer.

 

[Pieces_of_Eight]

Hence the two tier system making sense.

Any cross compliance would then be the responsibility of whoever pockets the cheque.

 

[oil barron]

Hence the two tier system making sense.

Any cross compliance would then be the responsibility of whoever pockets the cheque.

There is no cross compliance for the base cheque. The land is irrelevant to it. It is a cheque for claiming a cheque in the reference years.

 

[Campani]

I'm not sure how de-coupling active farming from the payment will help new entrants in any way. All I'd expect you'd see is people investing in land, doing very little with it and banking a nice sub cheque every year thus continuing to drive land prices up. If anything it could exacerbate the problem with affordability for new entrants.

the way i read it, buying more land wont mean that you are going to get more subsidy.
if the owner has to do nothing to receive the subsidy for the next nine years, could this open up opportunities for share farming/ early retirement?

 

[Pieces_of_Eight]

There is no cross compliance for the base cheque. The land is irrelevant to it. It is a cheque for claiming a cheque in the reference years.

Then how does this fit with all the bollox about a "Green Brexit" ?

Does the Green Brexit start in 2027?

 

[Still Farming]

Consumers to get cheaper produce after brexit in papers today ?
Even though bread went up 20p a loaf this week?

 

[oil barron]

Then how does this fit with all the bollox about a "Green Brexit" ?

Does the Green Brexit start in 2027?

The dole cheque gets chopped down in stages from 2020 to 2027 quicker for bigger cheque than smaller ones. There are going to be separate payments for environmental schemes, and productivity enhancing research.