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- Yorks
Posted on another thread, but deserves its own imho.
What do we make of this?
What do we make of this?
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AIC Conference: Working with Natural Capital
- Thread starter Grass And Grain
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Be nice to get a transcript of her speech, I imagine it might be a bit toned down from what it would have been . Farmer's not necessarily following the correct hymn sheet!
More evidence for the definite direction of travel that the cartel are interested it.
More evidence for the definite direction of travel that the cartel are interested it.
SilliamWhale
Member
Be interesting to see what they say and then we can prepare for battle in the issues
Working with natural capital. There is only one place they are going to get that no surprise there ,another discussion how to steel it is my take on that.
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- Northumberland
“Working with natural capital”
My thoughts are:
What ‘natural capital’ does AIC own?
It sounds like another version of planning to steal ‘our’ resource for the benefit of those further up the food chain.
My thoughts are:
What ‘natural capital’ does AIC own?
It sounds like another version of planning to steal ‘our’ resource for the benefit of those further up the food chain.
- Location
- Northumberland
It’s a funny old world, isn’t it.
On the one hand I’m being told that my farming activities (particularly my sheep and cattle) are simply dreadful; contributing to global warming and collapsing the local ecosystem.
On the other hand those with power further up the food chain are eyeing up what I’ve got enviously and apparently thinking they can make themselves ‘greener’ by helping themselves to what I’ve got.
Either farming’s bad for the environment (naughty us!) and there’s nothing to poss along or it’s good for the environment and there is potentially a commodity there that we MAY wish to trade.
Can’t be both , surely?
On the one hand I’m being told that my farming activities (particularly my sheep and cattle) are simply dreadful; contributing to global warming and collapsing the local ecosystem.
On the other hand those with power further up the food chain are eyeing up what I’ve got enviously and apparently thinking they can make themselves ‘greener’ by helping themselves to what I’ve got.
Either farming’s bad for the environment (naughty us!) and there’s nothing to poss along or it’s good for the environment and there is potentially a commodity there that we MAY wish to trade.
Can’t be both , surely?
- Location
- North Yorkshire
Dear AIC
If and when I can produce carbon neutral wheat
First call will be to fertiliser supplier
I can offset the carbon of the product you sell me
I can offer to buy your product at £x
2nd call to grain buyer
I have carbon neutral wheat for sale
The price is London Wheat future + x%
This is the future you should be preparing your members for
And then I woke up and remembered I was talking about uk ag
If and when I can produce carbon neutral wheat
First call will be to fertiliser supplier
I can offset the carbon of the product you sell me
I can offer to buy your product at £x
2nd call to grain buyer
I have carbon neutral wheat for sale
The price is London Wheat future + x%
This is the future you should be preparing your members for
And then I woke up and remembered I was talking about uk ag
SilliamWhale
Member
Dear AIC
If and when I can produce carbon neutral wheat
First call will be to fertiliser supplier
I can offset the carbon of the product you sell me
I can offer to buy your product at £x
2nd call to grain buyer
I have carbon neutral wheat for sale
The price is London Wheat future + x%
This is the future you should be preparing your members for
And then I woke up and remembered I was talking about uk ag
You've actually got it wrong. You should be demanding the fert supplier offsets their carbon as a condition of trade. You also have a packaged solution they can pay for for offset
Natural Capital bollix is all in the same boat as carbon sequestration and net zero etc.
It's creative accounting to absolve the guilt we ALL have about burning 350 million year old fossil fuels and generally fecking up this wobbly ball of molten rock we're riding through space.
Anyone subscribing to it is either ignorant of the greater reality, or complicit -in varying degrees- of perpetuating a great big fat lie*.
Cynically taking the money I can just about respect....but doing so means you're basing your business on lies.
*Which is minette?
Farming and land are the only place that can capture carbon as I know it is those that say livestock are a problem don't under stand and the others are just jealous of what agriculture can do so they can't stop being envious so the plan is to get it by hook or by crook ( steel)
wanton dwarf
Member
At the very minimum a protest is required
Try and get in the venue & ask to speak
Matters need to be made Clear to Batters where she stands
Try and get in the venue & ask to speak
Matters need to be made Clear to Batters where she stands
She has an opportunity to really tell AIC what her members really think.
I expect she will waffle on for half an hour and try not to say anything .
Could be more that she puts her colours to the mast for her next job with the cartel.
- Location
- Northumberland
I think we all know that what groups such as AIC, RT etc are angling for is a situation even worse than them simply coming in and stealing our existing ‘natural capital’.
As is indicated with the outline plans for GFC, the ‘natural capital’ they are after will have to be generated by us as a condition of being granted a ‘licence to trade’. In order for RT to allow us to stay in business, we will have to commit to certain activities that RT assess will enhance habitat/store carbon etc (whether that’s changing your crop establishment methods, reducing fert use, planting trees on previously farmed fields, rewilding areas, planting fields to bee/bird mixtures or whatever). It will be a condition of being allowed to join (ie of being allowed to trade) that the gatekeeper (RT, AIC,Arla,whoever) is then allowed to pass those‘natural capital’ benefits up the food chain.
In other words, we will have to do a lot more, AND pay for it (we know any mooted premiums will prove illusory).
AIC, RT. They can stick it as far as I’m concerned,
As is indicated with the outline plans for GFC, the ‘natural capital’ they are after will have to be generated by us as a condition of being granted a ‘licence to trade’. In order for RT to allow us to stay in business, we will have to commit to certain activities that RT assess will enhance habitat/store carbon etc (whether that’s changing your crop establishment methods, reducing fert use, planting trees on previously farmed fields, rewilding areas, planting fields to bee/bird mixtures or whatever). It will be a condition of being allowed to join (ie of being allowed to trade) that the gatekeeper (RT, AIC,Arla,whoever) is then allowed to pass those‘natural capital’ benefits up the food chain.
In other words, we will have to do a lot more, AND pay for it (we know any mooted premiums will prove illusory).
AIC, RT. They can stick it as far as I’m concerned,
The next job will tell us a lot about any conflict of interest that may or may not have been in evidence.
Horses and stable doors come to mind!
- Location
- North Yorkshire
Anyone invited?
BFU needs to be ready to issue a statement if there is any hint of giving anything away
BFU needs to be ready to issue a statement if there is any hint of giving anything away