All things Dairy
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lazy farmer
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- som/dor border
Stocking rate?
jimmer
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- Location
- East Devon
@lazy farmer has a leader cow
I currently have a follower cow, she is always last out the field, and spends more time on her knees trying to get the last blade of grass under the wire than actually walking home
420kg of pocket rocket with the handbrake on
230 cows, 320 other cattle from two calving blocks.
Actually I sold 20 stores today, I think, as I haven’t had an email with prices yet.
What’s that green tag?
jimmer
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- East Devon
Read what I said carefully
Tag of death
frederick
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- Location
- south west
If your buying 100 tons you must be doing north of 3 million litres so you only need 1.3ppl to cover N increase.
Same here.
If I had all cows, unfortunately have the handbrake of TB .
Where do you arrive at the figure of 33t per 1m liters?
frederick
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- Location
- south west
This is where people have to be careful. The dairy has to pay for its nitrogen it can't afford to pay for other enterprises. You may have to suck up your replacements but if the beef can't afford to pay for £700N it has to go.
Absolutely. Unfortunately, it’s not so simple now with Arla 56 day calf policy. Could sell them at a £100 loss I presume, certainly no easy answer.
frederick
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- south west
It was more a rough guess from my own fert use of about 2.5 lorriesfor 2.4 million.
The 1.3ppl then didn't look to bad to me because it's quite often around the 0.9-1.2 mark in cfps so a bit more than doubling.
It then turned out it wasn't far wrong for his total stock numbers just there was quite a bit of beef instead of all milkers.
frederick
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- south west
If your having to feed beef animals £45 ton silage and 20-25 ton standing grass then a £100 loss may be a bit better than the next losses.
I maybe wrong but I don't think beef will be quite so responsive to inflationary pressure.
1 because it's what people do.
2 a larger proportion of world beef is probably produced without N than dairy. So if you have an N reliant beef system your going to be the first hit.
Tirglas
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- Location
- West wales
Feed (grass/silage) demand sitting roughly 15t dm/ha? Good going anyway and need that 100t fert I'd say.
Alternatively reduce stocking rate by at least a third to eliminate purchased N???
I wouldn’t keep ANY beef if I could sell calves. (Actually I do have an Aberdeen cross suckler cow to produce an animal, usually a BBx for the freezer!)
- Location
- somerset
as might be, and we all have the sums to do, but, almost certainly at the the price N is, there will not be so much used, probably a big amount, globally, and that will impact on production, and not only in milk.
Not that that is a problem, any reduction in supply of ag products, is good news for us, because that will relate to supply/demand, and we all know what happens, when demand is greater than supply, just as we know when the opposite happens. The big difference this time, it is a global reaction, not a UK or EU, problem. As l said, interesting times ahead, just to add interest, chuck in the rapidly rising energy/haulage costs.
jimmer
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- East Devon
A pit full of expensive silage and a field of dear grown grass is better than a half full clamp and skimmings and none available to replace it