- Location
- Pembrokeshire
All things Dairy
- Thread starter Cows 'n grass
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- somerset
lazy farmer
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- Location
- som/dor border
Not sure how you do anything different going forward. Inflation is a difficult Queen.
- Location
- somerset
in farming, inflation on what we buy, but seldom on what we sell !1
I do. Aside from the obvious problem that you will nearly always end up putting nutrients where they see not needed, if you actually look at a tanker and think that some people are driving 40 mile round trip to drop off what is basically a small puddle of watery muck it is madness.
Yes, so then they farm 1100 acres, not 100.
- Location
- Pembrokeshire
frederick
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- Location
- south west
- Location
- Pembrokeshire
There’s huge costs coming for some dairy farmers round here with NVZ legislation and the lack of land and slurry storage
3,000,000 gallon lagoon just been built up the road ,don’t think there was any planning and it’s getting filled daily .500 cow herd I know of with max 3 weeks storage .another 230 cow farm with max 7 day storage
3,000,000 gallon lagoon just been built up the road ,don’t think there was any planning and it’s getting filled daily .500 cow herd I know of with max 3 weeks storage .another 230 cow farm with max 7 day storage
Headless chicken
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- Location
- West Wales
10k an acre. Assuming you have nothing to put forward and need to borrow it all and that your not averaging over more acres puts the interest alone at £800 a year.
Equivalent to 4-8 years rent locally….
Obviously doesn’t allow for inflation eroding it as the value increases you hope
- Location
- somerset
neighbour isn't in an NVZ, we are, we have storage, he has 2 days worth.
he applied for a grant, to put in storage, turned down.
even if you get the grant, you have to get approval from EA natural England, English heritage, and local planning authority.
Then you have to build/dig/construct it to EA's recommended regs, which are pretty strict.
pretty certain there will be a lot of dairy herds for sale, come autumn, especially tenanted farms, its a large investment to make.
he applied for a grant, to put in storage, turned down.
even if you get the grant, you have to get approval from EA natural England, English heritage, and local planning authority.
Then you have to build/dig/construct it to EA's recommended regs, which are pretty strict.
pretty certain there will be a lot of dairy herds for sale, come autumn, especially tenanted farms, its a large investment to make.
Princess Pooper
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- Location
- East Mids
No wonder some farmers are always saying how profitable their farms are if they haven't had the costs to deal with that the rest of us have!
- Location
- somerset
quota hit the dairy industry hard, millions went from dairy, to other industries, often non farming.
it took the 'investment' money out of dairy farming, we are left with some outdated set-ups, abroad you can see some fantastic units, l suspect the same could have happened here, if we hadn't spent those millions, on buying/leasing quota.
Happy hillbily
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- Location
- Uwchaled, North Wales
Strep ubris.
I've a serious outbreak here since the end of december, and can't get on top of it. Cell counts have been sky high since December, but had very little clinical signs, no warm swollen quarters, no clots etc. Been stripping cows and CMT but couldn't find anything. So tested whole herd (I didn't routeenly milk record) found the culprits, but nearly 75% of the herd had a high celcount. The really high ones were either dried off, or milk used for the calves. Every so often it would turn clinical, the cow would be treated with tubes and would clear it no problem. But would find those cows would get mastitis in another quarter a week or so later, a few cows had it in all 4 quarters over 4-5 weeks. I re tested the cows mid Feb, celcounts some were better some were worse , but no pattern.
Beds were fairly cleanb Bedded with powderbed but with all this wet weather they weren't always dry. So I've been liming the cubicles every day, I've put new liners in (just in case) dipping clusters between cows with peracetic acid, making sure teats are preped properly , plant is washed with temps and chemicals correct etc, basically doing everything by the book , no short cuts.
There's been 18 clinical cases since late December, that's nearly 50% of the herd ATM, found another the other day, both quarters on the right with mastitis. .
I'd not had any test results for 9 days since the end of march as someone had forgot to notify NMR that transport had left the yard in Denbigh, so had no barcodes to put on the sample pots, after I had run out so have been in the dark on what's going on for a week and a half.
We had a party last night so milked early, and have stayed over and only going to milk once today when we get back this evening. So when my phone pinged with the results this morning, I wanted to cry, tank was over 950.
Has anyone else had an outbreak like this, and any tips on sorting the problem. It's really getting me down now. I've lost a fortune in penalties, and lost milk, never mind the treatments since the begining of the year
I'm going to put my phone down now and bugger off for lunch somewhere with the family to try and forget about this for a few hours. But any tips comments etc will be gratefully accepted to help me sort this. Thanks
I've a serious outbreak here since the end of december, and can't get on top of it. Cell counts have been sky high since December, but had very little clinical signs, no warm swollen quarters, no clots etc. Been stripping cows and CMT but couldn't find anything. So tested whole herd (I didn't routeenly milk record) found the culprits, but nearly 75% of the herd had a high celcount. The really high ones were either dried off, or milk used for the calves. Every so often it would turn clinical, the cow would be treated with tubes and would clear it no problem. But would find those cows would get mastitis in another quarter a week or so later, a few cows had it in all 4 quarters over 4-5 weeks. I re tested the cows mid Feb, celcounts some were better some were worse , but no pattern.
Beds were fairly cleanb Bedded with powderbed but with all this wet weather they weren't always dry. So I've been liming the cubicles every day, I've put new liners in (just in case) dipping clusters between cows with peracetic acid, making sure teats are preped properly , plant is washed with temps and chemicals correct etc, basically doing everything by the book , no short cuts.
There's been 18 clinical cases since late December, that's nearly 50% of the herd ATM, found another the other day, both quarters on the right with mastitis. .
I'd not had any test results for 9 days since the end of march as someone had forgot to notify NMR that transport had left the yard in Denbigh, so had no barcodes to put on the sample pots, after I had run out so have been in the dark on what's going on for a week and a half.
We had a party last night so milked early, and have stayed over and only going to milk once today when we get back this evening. So when my phone pinged with the results this morning, I wanted to cry, tank was over 950.
Has anyone else had an outbreak like this, and any tips on sorting the problem. It's really getting me down now. I've lost a fortune in penalties, and lost milk, never mind the treatments since the begining of the year
I'm going to put my phone down now and bugger off for lunch somewhere with the family to try and forget about this for a few hours. But any tips comments etc will be gratefully accepted to help me sort this. Thanks
- Location
- East Lancashire
I had a time of it in December. It doesn’t help with the continuously soggy atmosphere. Sounds to me like you’re doing everything you can and it’s largely a case of keeping up with the intensity of what you are currently doing, and riding it out until turnout. Not much help I know.
The only thing I would question is, whether a change of teat dip would help?
The only thing I would question is, whether a change of teat dip would help?
- Location
- somerset
summers coming, cows are out, or will be, so no contamination from the cubicles, which helps. You have to work with your vet on this, its difficult to clear up.
The worst offenders, cull, at least barren price is good, if you keep them, it will keep spreading around the rest.
clear up rates from uberis are not good, but be guided by your vet, could easily work out cheaper, to kill more, and replace with less cows, than keep on losing money on ineffective cure rate, vets bills, and penalty deductions for cell counts.
at least you know the problem, we had a bacto issue, spent/lost £1,000's on that, for several months, swabbed the plant numerous times, changed chemicals numerous times, paid for experts, and lost on penalty deductions.
found the problem by chance really, 6/8 ins of milk line, wash wasn't touching the top of the pipe, for that short distance, easily solved, and bacto down. The experts, swabs etc, all told us it wasn't in that part of the plant
l feel for you, you feel so frustrated, that there's nothing more you can do, to resolve the issue, at least you know where the problem is, and your vet should be able to get you out of it. But, like us, its an expensive problem
good luck
The worst offenders, cull, at least barren price is good, if you keep them, it will keep spreading around the rest.
clear up rates from uberis are not good, but be guided by your vet, could easily work out cheaper, to kill more, and replace with less cows, than keep on losing money on ineffective cure rate, vets bills, and penalty deductions for cell counts.
at least you know the problem, we had a bacto issue, spent/lost £1,000's on that, for several months, swabbed the plant numerous times, changed chemicals numerous times, paid for experts, and lost on penalty deductions.
found the problem by chance really, 6/8 ins of milk line, wash wasn't touching the top of the pipe, for that short distance, easily solved, and bacto down. The experts, swabs etc, all told us it wasn't in that part of the plant
l feel for you, you feel so frustrated, that there's nothing more you can do, to resolve the issue, at least you know where the problem is, and your vet should be able to get you out of it. But, like us, its an expensive problem
good luck
Sorry to read about this.
No quick fix. We struggled to get mastitis under control. Our journey was...
ADF fitted. Not mega improvement.
Improved cubicle house scraping. Helped.
Improved bed management. Helped.
Improved strawing up and dunging out and resting calving pen.
Cull hard for mastitis. Helped a lot.
Breed for good udder health. Helped.
Going block autumn calving and calving half the herd outdoors. Helped.
What stage of lactation are most cases? If in first two months, could it be a dry period issue?
Good luck
No quick fix. We struggled to get mastitis under control. Our journey was...
ADF fitted. Not mega improvement.
Improved cubicle house scraping. Helped.
Improved bed management. Helped.
Improved strawing up and dunging out and resting calving pen.
Cull hard for mastitis. Helped a lot.
Breed for good udder health. Helped.
Going block autumn calving and calving half the herd outdoors. Helped.
What stage of lactation are most cases? If in first two months, could it be a dry period issue?
Good luck
TheRanger
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- Location
- SW Scotland
Can a cow come into heat with a CIDR still in?