Mr Jones
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Does she jump it. Or just go under it. Spring heifers don't like the idea of an electric fence hereAlways one! View attachment 1041868
Does she jump it. Or just go under it. Spring heifers don't like the idea of an electric fence hereAlways one! View attachment 1041868
Just upped ours to 4.25 from 2.75. Seems a waste of electric to me.Quick question what’s tank temperature are people sending their milk at? Mine is 3degrees and 3.5. Are they set too low?
You're right, but you've got to remember that it's also a by-product. I'd have thought that profitably producing food from a waste product would be something worth celebrating?
Your last paragraph is certainly thought provoking, in the same way as foreign machinery. I'm guilty of both.Often yes I totally agree waste products should be used but in this case I feel like its use is fueling the fire and obviously lines the pockets of those producing palm oil. Also has to be shipped half way round the world before use.
Maybe I am a bit militant about it but i think to win the argument with an ever growing section of the population focused on plant based foods farming needs to change and to stop using such products. My attitude towards Soya is the same, why feed it to cows to produce milk.
There is an inherent hypocricy in critisising people for buying cheap imported lamb, beef, milk etc... but importing feed for our stock IMO.
presumably, collecting waste food for swill, was the best solution, but it was abused, and now goes into land fill, at a cost.Often yes I totally agree waste products should be used but in this case I feel like its use is fueling the fire and obviously lines the pockets of those producing palm oil. Also has to be shipped half way round the world before use.
Maybe I am a bit militant about it but i think to win the argument with an ever growing section of the population focused on plant based foods farming needs to change and to stop using such products. My attitude towards Soya is the same, why feed it to cows to produce milk.
There is an inherent hypocricy in critisising people for buying cheap imported lamb, beef, milk etc... but importing feed for our stock IMO.
Out of interest, if the UK banned all imports of soya & PKE what effect do you think it would have on the worldwide market for it? Would the producers suddenly cut production because a small country no longer uses it or would another country (such as China) take up the slack? Would our government ban imports from the countries using it or would we be priced out the market by ever cheaper imports? Is it acceptable to import palm oil & soya products for human consumption but not the leftovers to feed to animals?Often yes I totally agree waste products should be used but in this case I feel like its use is fueling the fire and obviously lines the pockets of those producing palm oil. Also has to be shipped half way round the world before use.
Maybe I am a bit militant about it but i think to win the argument with an ever growing section of the population focused on plant based foods farming needs to change and to stop using such products. My attitude towards Soya is the same, why feed it to cows to produce milk.
There is an inherent hypocricy in critisising people for buying cheap imported lamb, beef, milk etc... but importing feed for our stock IMO.
we buy those straights, because we are a rich nation, and our farming systems, are built around them. Stop it, price will go down, and others will buy them. supply/demand.Out of interest, if the UK banned all imports of soya & PKE what effect do you think it would have on the worldwide market for it? Would the producers suddenly cut production because a small country no longer uses it or would another country (such as China) take up the slack? Would our government ban imports from the countries using it or would we be priced out the market by ever cheaper imports? Is it acceptable to import palm oil & soya products for human consumption but not the leftovers to feed to animals?
Your last paragraph is certainly thought provoking, in the same way as foreign machinery. I'm guilty of both.
Out of interest, if the UK banned all imports of soya & PKE what effect do you think it would have on the worldwide market for it? Would the producers suddenly cut production because a small country no longer uses it or would another country (such as China) take up the slack? Would our government ban imports from the countries using it or would we be priced out the market by ever cheaper imports? Is it acceptable to import palm oil & soya products for human consumption but not the leftovers to feed to animals?
The more you go down the high input route the more reliance you have on all these importsIs it just my milk buyer who insists all soya and palm products have to be sustainably sourced with carbon credits bought by the feed company?
What "sustainably sourced" actually means I don't know, assume something along the lines of only 1 or 2 orangutans killed/acre instead of 6 or 7...
No different to the likes of Shell and BP paying some African countries to plant some trees in a desert and claim they're going carbon neutral mind
The trouble with that is a forage based system doesn't rate very well in terms of carbon audits rightly or wrongly.Lots of questions! Firstly I didn't mention anything about a ban. I would however be in favour of making it increasingly difficult to farm in certain ways which are damaging environmentally.
The most price efficient farming systems in this country feed their cows mostly forage, you can look up the stats for about the last 20 years, the more forage in a cows diet the lower COP. Given that not sure how reducing Soya would ' price us out of the market'.
Importing Soya which leads to deforestation is not acceptable, end of. However, you also have to accept feeding people rather than cows is more efficient, there is energy wasted when you feed cows something a person can eat. We should have a farming system which produces milk/meat etc... primarily on what people cannot eat directly.
The "if i don't do it someone else will" argument is not really a good reason to do it. Given the number of terrible things in the world you could basically use that to justify anything. It is also a very good way to never get anything done.
That will changeThe trouble with that is a forage based system doesn't rate very well in terms of carbon audits rightly or wrongly.
Is it just my milk buyer who insists all soya and palm products have to be sustainably sourced with carbon credits bought by the feed company?
What "sustainably sourced" actually means I don't know, assume something along the lines of only 1 or 2 orangutans killed/acre instead of 6 or 7...
No different to the likes of Shell and BP paying some African countries to plant some trees in a desert and claim they're going carbon neutral mind
how so very interesting subjectThat will change
Until there short of milk and turn a blind eye to itSaputo request it as well. I could be wrong but I think most companies sustainability sourced soya.