Announcement Tomorrow on Banning Live Exports and More Restrictions On Domestic Journeys

[Ysgythan]

Any other country would, and do support a live trade to avoid tariffs and help the industry, and country, rather than suggesting sheep farmers all pile into beef. Sending lambs across the water would be quicker and better for welfare from the East as we have no real abattoirs left for lamb near, and a future cover cropping / mixed farming via ELMS etc could support an increase in sheep in the East.

and add the ridiculousness of internal sea crossings in Britain and Ireland being longer than the channel crossing...

 

[Tim W]

@Frank-the-Wool
Where is there a link to the consultation process? Can someone show me then i can make my views known where it matters (constructively)

 

[Bury the Trash]

https://consult.defra.gov.uk/transforming-farm-animal-health-and-welfare-team/improvements-to-animal-welfare-in-transport/supporting_documents/consultationonimprovementstoanimalwelfareintransport.pdf

 

[Ffermer Bach]

My default position is what’s best for the country and the industry in 10 years time. There’s more to life than selling lambs.

Tell that to a sheep farmer!

 

[Sid]

https://consult.defra.gov.uk/transforming-farm-animal-health-and-welfare-team/improvements-to-animal-welfare-in-transport/supporting_documents/consultationonimprovementstoanimalwelfareintransport.pdf

40. In the light of this, we are proposing that no livestock or horse journeys will be allowed to take place if the forecast external temperature for the journey is outside of a temperature range of 5-30oC, unless the vehicle is able to regulate the internal temperature within a 5-30oC temperature range for the duration of the journey by means of a thermo-regulation system. This will apply to both short and long journeys

IF I have read this correctly then no livestock movements will be allowed on certain extreme temperature days of the years?

Am I correct?

 

[Ysgythan]

@Frank-the-Wool
Where is there a link to the consultation process? Can someone show me then i can make my views known where it matters (constructively)

As a beneficiary of government contracts in the past who has answers any amount of consultations I can honestly say that you might as well type it on here if you think they will take notice of a single reply.

 

[JP1]

I don’t really see the link to brexit.

If you hadn’t had Johnson, you’d of had Corbyn, and bye bye to all our privileges.

The link is Eustice is desperate, desperate to give the media and the GP a quick sop as the easiest deal in history continues to ricochet all over the place

 

[JP1]

https://consult.defra.gov.uk/transforming-farm-animal-health-and-welfare-team/improvements-to-animal-welfare-in-transport/supporting_documents/consultationonimprovementstoanimalwelfareintransport.pdf

I had it on good authority that future standard "public good" payments may have a maximum travel time much less than now. One suggestion was 4 hours. And has been stated higher up the thread that may encompass travel to market, standing time and outgoing transport time Just think about that for a moment. Even in an area dense in alternative livestock markets and processing plants (mine is definitely not) , you just couldn't do it all in 4 hours

 

[Highland Mule]

40. In the light of this, we are proposing that no livestock or horse journeys will be allowed to take place if the forecast external temperature for the journey is outside of a temperature range of 5-30oC, unless the vehicle is able to regulate the internal temperature within a 5-30oC temperature range for the duration of the journey by means of a thermo-regulation system. This will apply to both short and long journeys

IF I have read this correctly then no livestock movements will be allowed on certain extreme temperature days of the years?

Am I correct?

Days? That could apply for months along much of the A9.

 

[Sid]

Days? That could apply for months along much of the A9.

Probably why its only an E&W consultation

 

[JP1]

40. In the light of this, we are proposing that no livestock or horse journeys will be allowed to take place if the forecast external temperature for the journey is outside of a temperature range of 5-30oC, unless the vehicle is able to regulate the internal temperature within a 5-30oC temperature range for the duration of the journey by means of a thermo-regulation system. This will apply to both short and long journeys

IF I have read this correctly then no livestock movements will be allowed on certain extreme temperature days of the years?

Am I correct?

Not that extreme either. Weaning pigs now on the Derbyshire Dales outdoor units etc

 

[Highland Mule]

Probably why its only an E&W consultation

I’m guessing some of the high passes (Shap, Peaks) might be similar though?

 

[GeorgeK]

As the government has pledged not to allow imports to undercut our standards, I assume we will no longer import from countries that allow live exports or longer journeys than we will have here! That would put a stop to all imports I'd have thought

 

[neilo]

As the government has pledged not to allow imports to undercut our standards, I assume we will no longer import from countries that allow live exports or longer journeys than we will have here! That would put a stop to all imports I'd have thought

Or any countries where they might transport animals when the outside temperature is below 5 degrees, or above 30.

 

[Henarar]

Tell that to a sheep farmer!

they just did

 

[steveR]

What’s the alternative though? I’d expect less support from a conservative government, but more freedom with it.

Little evidence of that so far. The Bonfire of Red Tape looks like a smouldering pile of wet leaves...

 

[Barleycorn]

Local lorry driver took a bulker load of potatoes to Spain, then loaded with different potatoes and brought them back to the UK.

Our organic milk gets taken to Kent. 2 miles away is Waitrose's organic milk bottling plant who get their milk from Somerset!

 

[Henarar]

Or any countries where they might transport animals when the outside temperature is below 5 degrees, or above 30.

I can see the point a bit of the above 30 but below 5 ? may more sense to set it at -5 but its not like they are going to freeze, probably be warmer in a lorry than they was in the field

 

[Henarar]

Little evidence of that so far. The Bonfire of Red Tape looks like a smouldering pile of wet leaves...

well it is raining

 

[steveR]

I don't know any decent farmer or haulier who is not pro animal welfare. The Government are in trouble over Brexit and this is one more sop.

Adverse conditions lead to a few investing in insulated / temp controlled vehicles to move weaners when ambient was less than 5 degrees but I consider they come out too humid and it's not that good for them compared with straw bedding

When you start playing fast and loose you also have to remember the Highlands and islands. Without decent domestic travel extensions, their markets will evaporate

As far as a large part of the Modern Tory party is concerned, Scotland is a place "far, far away", led by Mel Gibson's sister, Nicola. Why worry??

How many Conservative votes/MP's in Scotland these days...?