Are we a communist state through the back door

[FonterraFarmer]

Listening to general public interviewed yesterday after the budget, all the younger (well they sounded it) were saying taxes should go up to pay for services etc. one older Irish guy said let people decide what they spend their money on. Made me think the younger generation would rather have all the services paid for by the state nearly to the point we may aswell become a communist state. Civil servants and politicians will decide how much money we get to keep and how much they will then waste on needless pc sh!t.

Nyet!!!

 

[Farmer_Joe]

Running a nursery or a care home seems a good businesses plan.

the amount of care home been built in this area is amazing, every large old pub or school is being demolished and made into a care home

 

[Interested in farming]

We are not a communist state but we kind of need one with somebody sensible at the top that can right all the wrongs. We need somebody to throw out the EU rule book and start kicking up a fuss.

All illegals just need sending back to where they came from. If that's france then send them back to let them deal with them. We should shut our borders completely for a timed period and only allow in holiday makers and workers with the correct visa's and a passport. We should only grant them temporary entry which is then monitored subject to their employment. If they want to bring family members over with them that's fine as long as they pay for them themselves. They should not get any state money of any type. No family credit, no jobseekers allowance etc.

The NHS needs a clear out and all the management got rid off. The multi tiered management structure takes up majority of the budget which is why on the 'shop floor' conditions are so bad. There should be senior doctors and nurses running the NHS not corporate money men.

The EA should be disposed of and the national rivers authority reinstated and every single river dredged from the bottom to the top.

The education sector should be completely rewritten and children taught things that are going to help them in the real world. Things like Algebra and frontal adverbials are a load of b******s and of no use to anybody in the real world.

We should aim to be as food efficient as possible for the sake of all trade agreements.

We should walk away from net zero as what we do on this little island is of no consequence to the rest of the world. We should be one of the last to hit that target.

So many more to add but cant be bothered.

So in short, everything is someone else's problem and funnily enough while farmers will take lessons from no one, you're an expert.

Just on the 'NHS' management clear out my mate is the maintenance manager for our local hospital. Without him his guys don't know what to fix. Then there's HR, total waste except they do the recruitment, the accountants wh run the budget. The people who send the letters. I could go on but there's a lot of admin because there is a lot of admin. When I was in most of it was making sure they didn't operate on the wrong kidney. Then there were the dementia patients on my ward who ate up 90% of the nurses time. The drunks. Then we need to manage the cleaners. The people who fed me. The pharmacists who provided the medication. The porters.

And as for dropping algebra because its not used in the real world. I'm no good at it but holy crap your world is built on algebra. The list below is a sample but essentially all engineering needs it. Thank f**k you're not in charge....

Mathematician
Computer Programmer
Engineer
Data analyst
Maths Teacher.
astronomers
chemists
physicists
statisticians
REME
Naval Officers

 

[Interested in farming]

Yes I accept that many people think more tax should be paid but the important omission is hardly anyone believes that they should be paying it. There is a general belief that there is a pool of wealthy or high earning people who should pick up the tab in it's entirety. In summary all the people who think taxes should be raised are just expecting to get a freebie but they will scream blue murder if or when it comes out of their pockets.

That's a different argument to we may as will live under communism. Of course everyone wants someone else to pick up the tab. I want services fixed but loving the national insurance cut. My problem is I know how f****d we are and am just hoping we can kick the can down the road a wee bit further.

 

[bobk]

So in short, everything is someone else's problem and funnily enough while farmers will take lessons from no one, you're an expert.

Just on the 'NHS' management clear out my mate is the maintenance manager for our local hospital. Without him his guys don't know what to fix. Then there's HR, total waste except they do the recruitment, the accountants wh run the budget. The people who send the letters. I could go on but there's a lot of admin because there is a lot of admin. When I was in most of it was making sure they didn't operate on the wrong kidney. Then there were the dementia patients on my ward who ate up 90% of the nurses time. The drunks. Then we need to manage the cleaners. The people who fed me. The pharmacists who provided the medication. The porters.

And as for dropping algebra because its not used in the real world. I'm no good at it but holy crap your world is built on algebra. The list below is a sample but essentially all engineering needs it. Thank f**k you're not in charge....

Mathematician
Computer Programmer
Engineer
Data analyst
Maths Teacher.
astronomers
chemists
physicists
statisticians
REME
Naval Officers

As you say you're not a farmer , never had guessed

 

[Interested in farming]

The main fault of government in my way of thinking is they let quangos ristrict industry to the point it is stifled to produce products that is the loss of revenue to the gov, businesses is what keeps the country going not quangos and civil servants there is far to much employment on jobs that don't make anything so we just import it

Ah the good old quango, the source of all our troubles.

Firstly we don't 'need' to make anything. That's a myth that developed during the industrial revolution. Money we make making ads for companies in the USA is just as good as money made making widgets.

Too many simply don't understand business and economics and think 'making' stuff is more important than 'creating' stuff. In 1900 working in a shop was high status and working in a factory low satus. The change occurred mostly after world war 2. We are going through that change again.

 

[Interested in farming]

As you say you're not a farmer , never had guessed

Your point being?

 

[HatsOff]

the amount of care home been built in this area is amazing, every large old pub or school is being demolished and made into a care home

The baby boom generation get everything new built for them.

 

[Hilly]

The more reliant upon the state the more the state will take from you.

 

[ollie989898]

We are not a communist state but we kind of need one with somebody sensible at the top that can right all the wrongs. We need somebody to throw out the EU rule book and start kicking up a fuss.

All illegals just need sending back to where they came from. If that's france then send them back to let them deal with them. We should shut our borders completely for a timed period and only allow in holiday makers and workers with the correct visa's and a passport. We should only grant them temporary entry which is then monitored subject to their employment. If they want to bring family members over with them that's fine as long as they pay for them themselves. They should not get any state money of any type. No family credit, no jobseekers allowance etc.

The NHS needs a clear out and all the management got rid off. The multi tiered management structure takes up majority of the budget which is why on the 'shop floor' conditions are so bad. There should be senior doctors and nurses running the NHS not corporate money men.

The EA should be disposed of and the national rivers authority reinstated and every single river dredged from the bottom to the top.

The education sector should be completely rewritten and children taught things that are going to help them in the real world. Things like Algebra and frontal adverbials are a load of b******s and of no use to anybody in the real world.

We should aim to be as food efficient as possible for the sake of all trade agreements.

We should walk away from net zero as what we do on this little island is of no consequence to the rest of the world. We should be one of the last to hit that target.

So many more to add but cant be bothered.

Algebra and maths are the same thing. They are important because it teaches children how to use existing knowledge to solve problems. A lot of fields are heavily reliant upon this same work process.

Senior doctors and nurses running the NHS was tried- there aren't enough of them and to be frank, not all doctors know anything about running a business, which is effectively what healthcare providers are. I agree though that there is probably some inept management that has no business being there but then the heath service is collectively a bit of employment provision in areas where there would otherwise be none.

 

[kiwi pom]

So in short, everything is someone else's problem and funnily enough while farmers will take lessons from no one, you're an expert.

Just on the 'NHS' management clear out my mate is the maintenance manager for our local hospital. Without him his guys don't know what to fix. Then there's HR, total waste except they do the recruitment, the accountants wh run the budget. The people who send the letters. I could go on but there's a lot of admin because there is a lot of admin. When I was in most of it was making sure they didn't operate on the wrong kidney. Then there were the dementia patients on my ward who ate up 90% of the nurses time. The drunks. Then we need to manage the cleaners. The people who fed me. The pharmacists who provided the medication. The porters.

And as for dropping algebra because its not used in the real world. I'm no good at it but holy crap your world is built on algebra. The list below is a sample but essentially all engineering needs it. Thank f**k you're not in charge....

Mathematician
Computer Programmer
Engineer
Data analyst
Maths Teacher.
astronomers
chemists
physicists
statisticians
REME
Naval Officers

The problem is you’re posting on a farming forum, which is mostly (NOT all) full of people who are actually quite privileged, employ half a dozen people at most and inherited the business they run. They then explain to everyone else how the planet should be run with no real idea of the realities, while claiming every penny of government money they can and paying as little tax as possible.
Half of them would be fecked without mum and dad, they just don’t like admitting it.

 

[Interested in farming]

The problem is you’re posting on a farming forum, which is mostly (NOT all) full of people who are actually quite privileged, employ half a dozen people at most and inherited the business they run. They then explain to everyone else how the planet should be run with no real idea of the realities, while claiming every penny of government money they can and paying as little tax as possible.
Half of them would be fecked without mum and dad, they just don’t like admitting it.

Worlds full of people who think they can run everything better than everyone else.... Problem is when the likes of Liz Truss get to do it...

 

[tractorsandcows]

JFK said

"Think not what your country can do for you, but think what you can do for your country."

Was JFK a commie? His Dad was certainly not a nice man.

No too busy chasing skirt to develop a political ideology

 

[Interested in farming]

A brief guide to the public finances - Office for Budget Responsibility

The independent Office for Budget Responsibility was established in 2010 to monitor the public sector’s finances. Twice a year – usually alongside each Budget and Spring or Autumn Statement – we produce detailed forecasts for the coming five years, assessing the likely impact of any policy...

obr.uk

Worth looking at where it goes. Spending is 1200bn and 640 of that is Pensions, NHS, Schools, Debt, Defence, Roads and buildings. 94 billion on INTEREST (not debt).

The interesting bit

• The UK government raises slightly less revenue relative to national income than the majority of other industrial countries – more than the US, Japan and Korea, but less than Scandinavian countries like Denmark and Norway.
• Public spending as a share of national income in the UK is slightly above the average of other industrial countries – the UK spends much more than Japan and Korea, but much less than Finland or France.
• Spending just above the international average, but raising less in revenue, leaves the UK running a budget deficit that’s far above the industrial world average.
• Net debt in the UK is also higher than the average of other industrial countries.

 

[Hindsight]

I think the reason for this is those “young people” probably don’t pay very much tax at all.

You presumably do not have twenty something children in your close family. The young have the highest marginal rate - repaying student loan which is in effect a gradate tax. Ask a wety something hw much tax they pay.

 

[Hindsight]

There was lots of RAF kids boarding at my school, also loads of farmers kids. Could argue both taxpayer funded!

RAF officers - not squadies.

 

[Hindsight]

We are not a communist state but we kind of need one with somebody sensible at the top that can right all the wrongs. We need somebody to throw out the EU rule book and start kicking up a fuss.

All illegals just need sending back to where they came from. If that's france then send them back to let them deal with them. We should shut our borders completely for a timed period and only allow in holiday makers and workers with the correct visa's and a passport. We should only grant them temporary entry which is then monitored subject to their employment. If they want to bring family members over with them that's fine as long as they pay for them themselves. They should not get any state money of any type. No family credit, no jobseekers allowance etc.

The NHS needs a clear out and all the management got rid off. The multi tiered management structure takes up majority of the budget which is why on the 'shop floor' conditions are so bad. There should be senior doctors and nurses running the NHS not corporate money men.

The EA should be disposed of and the national rivers authority reinstated and every single river dredged from the bottom to the top.

The education sector should be completely rewritten and children taught things that are going to help them in the real world. Things like Algebra and frontal adverbials are a load of b******s and of no use to anybody in the real world.

We should aim to be as food efficient as possible for the sake of all trade agreements.

We should walk away from net zero as what we do on this little island is of no consequence to the rest of the world. We should be one of the last to hit that target.

So many more to add but cant be bothered.

We should aim to be as food efficient as possible for the sake of all trade agreements.

Simple - close down AD plants, Vivergo, Dog Food factories.

 

[Old apprentice]

Ah the good old quango, the source of all our troubles.

Firstly we don't 'need' to make anything. That's a myth that developed during the industrial revolution. Money we make making ads for companies in the USA is just as good as money made making widgets.

Too many simply don't understand business and economics and think 'making' stuff is more important than 'creating' stuff. In 1900 working in a shop was high status and working in a factory low satus. The change occurred mostly after world war 2. We are going through that change again.

You are still making something to sell.

 

[kiwi pom]

We should aim to be as food efficient as possible for the sake of all trade agreements.

Simple - close down AD plants, Vivergo, Dog Food factories.

Yep no AD plants, wildflowers, fallow schemes, horse hay, rural industrial estates, solar parks etc. Food producing land needs to be used to produce food.
You'd think farmers would be keen on that, I suggested it in one of the many "what do you want" threads and got told to feck off.

Oh and if you're producing food you have to produce the food the population needs, can't all just grow feed wheat or farm sheep, not as simple as that.

 

[kiwi pom]

Worlds full of people who think they can run everything better than everyone else.... Problem is when the likes of Liz Truss get to do it...

Most things become more complicated the more you study them, it's easy to casually look at something and think you can fix it, but actually get the job and you might find it's not that easy.

One of the points often made on here is "the public" don't understand agriculture. Of course they don't if they don't work in it, that's the same for any industry or profession. Farmers don't understand professions they're not involved in either.