Arla

[onesiedale]

Above my pay grade im afraid.

Id be curious how many of these industry representatives have picked up the phone to any leading player on this or any other subject....cough...Red Tractor....cough.
Arla do engage, i know that much.

they don't need to pick up the phone. The leading players put statements out in the press. Instead of questioning, representatives often just accept them.
It's a bit like accepting Poore Nemechek or Ancel Keys papers. Once the story is out, the narrative becomes difficult to challenge

 

[buffalo_soldier]

Unfortunately i think your they don't need to pick up the phone may be correct.

If they did, they could've had boots on the ground at Moore Park also possibly.

 

[farmer on a bike]

Unfortunately i think your they don't need to pick up the phone may be correct.

If they did, they could've had boots on the ground at Moore Park also possibly.

More boots on the ground would have been a mistake, we had 2 very good BoR with them who have exceptional knowledge in this area, the key was to get the team to listen to the scientists. This team meet loads of farmers and will have heard everything discussed on here plus a lot more thrown at them by farmers (not least by myself).

 

[Bramble]

I absolutely agree that cows are not the problem. but this is what are we facing:

https://klimaraadet.dk/sites/default/files/node/field_files/Adaptation%20of%20the%20Danish%20Farm%20Sector%20-%20English%20Policy%20Brief.pdf

The Danish government seems minded to implement this proposal. That would set a precedent, can you image our government of what ever colour, short on tax revenues, looking over the north sea and thinking "well if they can do it"?
So how do you stop this:
a) Tell them, "I know you are wrong, I will not engage, I will ignore you"
b) Tell them, "Ok we hear you, we think this is the wrong way to go about it, we already have programs in place to act on this, we are looking at every possible option, any tax will not make it happen any faster but just get passed on to consumers"

I agree, in my personal view, feed additives are not the answer and Arla is very clear that we will take part in trials, but if you want them used on a farm scale they must be directly paid for by the customer.

Need to do a lot more work on feed additives reducing methane. Feeding them we are trying to stop the rumen bugs working properly. The Australian Cattle Company ran some trials feeding red seaweed, which werent entirely succesful. Methane reduced by 29% (not 80% as previously claimed), cattle growth rates reduced, finishing weights taking longer to achieve. Net result they would need to keep more cattle for longer to maintain the kg of beef output if they continued feeding seaweed.

So if part of the drive to reduce methane is to improve efficiency (increased yield/cow so less cows) some of these feed additives may not be the answer if they affect yield/cow

 

[DaveGrohl]

Need to do a lot more work on feed additives reducing methane. Feeding them we are trying to stop the rumen bugs working properly. The Australian Cattle Company ran some trials feeding red seaweed, which werent entirely succesful. Methane reduced by 29% (not 80% as previously claimed), cattle growth rates reduced, finishing weights taking longer to achieve. Net result they would need to keep more cattle for longer to maintain the kg of beef output if they continued feeding seaweed.

So if part of the drive to reduce methane is to improve efficiency (increased yield/cow so less cows) some of these feed additives may not be the answer if they affect yield/cow

It’ll be Bovaer that will be pushed across the board, not seaweed. Seaweed comes with all sorts of transportation/bulk/drying emission issues. Royal DSM had the 3NOP molecule sitting on their shelves for years wondering what to do with it AFAIUI. Then along came methane and bingo.

The really daft thing about all this is that Arla etc are pushing everyone into fully housed systems, enabling uniform additives to be used, but removing the cattle from the fields stops methanotrophs in the soil and ground from capturing the methane at source. Somewhere between 5 and 30% of methane is removed in this way AIUI. I think the claim for Bovaer is 30% on average from memory.

 

[DaveGrohl]

I absolutely agree that cows are not the problem. but this is what are we facing:

https://klimaraadet.dk/sites/default/files/node/field_files/Adaptation%20of%20the%20Danish%20Farm%20Sector%20-%20English%20Policy%20Brief.pdf

The Danish government seems minded to implement this proposal. That would set a precedent, can you image our government of what ever colour, short on tax revenues, looking over the north sea and thinking "well if they can do it"?
So how do you stop this:
a) Tell them, "I know you are wrong, I will not engage, I will ignore you"
b) Tell them, "Ok we hear you, we think this is the wrong way to go about it, we already have programs in place to act on this, we are looking at every possible option, any tax will not make it happen any faster but just get passed on to consumers"

I agree, in my personal view, feed additives are not the answer and Arla is very clear that we will take part in trials, but if you want them used on a farm scale they must be directly paid for by the customer.

Thank you. That’s pretty poor gruel, but our own CCC have plans too. All of them using CO2eqs sadly. The Global Methane Pledge mentioned therein has been a massive ballsup to start with. It should’ve been exclusively focused on fossil methane leakage not simply across the board. So you end up with countries like the US not having to cut cattle methane by much because they can focus on fossil leakage, but a country like Ireland has to focus on cattle and sheep because that’s the only methane they can cut.

I can see you appreciate all this and I do sympathise. We really are in a weird stage of bureaucratic Hell right now.

 

[delilah]

I do agree methane isn’t the issue but you can only work with what situation you find yourself in.

The situation you find yourself in, is down to the quack science of a Viva activist:

You could stop following that science tomorrow and nobody other than Tesco would give a flying f@ck.

You know that, same as you know that within the next two years you will be docking 2ppl off any producer who doesn't medicate the feed or fit a mask.

Because that's the bed you must lie in when you prostitute yourselves to the cartel.

Unless you are a milk supplier and member of arla you don’t have a say on how they run the business.

Then I will leave you to it. All the best .

 

[John1975]

Have I missed Novembers announcement with all the fun on here?

 

[farmer on a bike]

Have I missed Novembers announcement with all the fun on here?

Price hold, but looking optimistic going into next year

 

[Fergieman]

Price hold, but looking optimistic going into next year

and 2 euro cents onto Organic.

 

[farmer on a bike]

and 2 euro cents onto Organic.

Important point.

 

[crashbox]

looking optimistic going into next year

Isn't that what they've been saying for the last 3 months...?

 

[farmer on a bike]

Isn't that what they've been saying for the last 3 months...?

The short term monthly outlook is more upbeat rather than just stable for the first time since prices started to fall.

 

[vantage]

The short term monthly outlook is more upbeat rather than just stable for the first time since prices started to fall.

And hints of an interest rate drop would take the heat off a bit.

 

[crashbox]

And hints of an interest rate drop would take the heat off a bit.

That's not Arla's doing, though, in fairness!

 

[Devon lad]

I just love the way Arla use grazing herds for their marketing and then sting them on price and sustainability.

 

[vantage]

Just had this, very , very nice!

 

[FarmerWasty]

What a tedious Monday morning spent learning about how we should all have more robust cows. Atleast we've ticked the extra lever box...

 

[Fergieman]

Nice lunch at the golf club?

 

[nonemouse]

What a tedious Monday morning spent learning about how we should all have more robust cows. Atleast we've ticked the extra lever box...

I have that joy to come on Wednesday