Australia Free Trade Deal?

[Muck Spreader]

The future for the UK, whose global power directly stemmed from being a maritime power and major trading hub will be in continuing to pursue better trade links with other countries on a global basis and in freeing up access to our markets.

The problem is the UK is not a maritime power, manufacturing or major trading hub any more. It is an economy based on service industries and hopefully innovation. But to make these sectors work on a viable scale nowadays, you have to have global cooperation with the many other first world countries, which doesn't appear to be this governments actual objective.

 

[kiwi pom]

Ah yes GM soya in the states.
Where can I get some seed?
Edit
Oh silly me we're not allowed to grow GM soya in the UK.

So what? The UK doesn't want to use the tech, not Americas fault is it.
You can buy non GM Soybeans.
If everyone's so against you why not buy a farm in another country and give it a go?

 

[lloyd]

If I can fiddle it and make my son the farmer on paper I will be taking it I can assure you I might just fall off the radar ...

That's what they want dont let it happen.(Your son might disagree though).

 

[lloyd]

So what? The UK doesn't want to use the tech, not Americas fault is it.
You can buy non GM Soybeans.
If everyone's so against you why not buy a farm in another country and give it a go?

Actually the general public have been very positive
buying British food where they can .
It's this bunch of incompetents in government who
are trying to derail and legislate UK farming.

 

[Muck Spreader]

Almost 80% of the worlds soybean crop is fed to livestock so cant all be byproducts.

You get two paydays out of GM Soya. The oil is the most valuable part and used in allsorts of things. But as the waste meal is a high protein source it also commands a high price, particularly for intensive pig and poultry production.

 

[hoyboy]

Free trade with other countries is no problem so long as we all have the same rules. To start importing from anywhere and everywhere while at the same time regulating our own industry to death is absolute madness, just so a few ws in London can make a little bit more money.... That is what we have a problem with.

I've worked in Australia. They buy Treflan in IBCs and spray it on everything at seeding time. They'll put down rat bait with the an air seeder. We need a f**king environmental risk assessment just to put a couple teaspoons in the garden shed! Does all their cattle need to be registered at birth? Double tagging of sheep? Do they need planning permission to put up a new grain store?

I'm not having a go at the way they do things, just a rant about the bulls**t we have to put up with here. For every man actually doing something there are 10 trying to stop him or asking for meaningless bits of paper. I actually wish for some utter catastrophe to happen, the financial system to collapse and this country thrown back to the 1900s.. All these ws will be the first to starve.

 

[lloyd]

You get two paydays out of GM Soya. The oil is the most valuable part and used in allsorts of things. But as the waste meal is a high protein source it also commands a high price, particularly for intensive pig and poultry production.

Could OSR be a substitute .
It would be dearer but so what if enviroment and GM are such issues.
Edit
Silly old me again we're banned from using neonics but it's ok to bring
rape grown with it into the UK.

 

[ollie989898]

The problem is the UK is not a maritime power, manufacturing or major trading hub any more. It is an economy based on service industries and hopefully innovation. But to make these sectors work on a viable scale nowadays, you have to have global cooperation with the many other first world countries, which doesn't appear to be this governments actual objective.

It is a big trading hub and a major financial centre. It is also surprising how many big companies choose to site themselves in the UK as we are major source of talent in a variety of markets.

 

[ollie989898]

Well it's a global problem so I'd be happy with banning the use of imported
soya here and any meat imports fed on soya from abroad.
You might not be so happy though when you go to the supermarket
to buy your chicken.

I don't buy much chicken from the supermarket because it is all shite. In a few years this household, I believe, will be largely meat free.

 

[ollie989898]

Shame more cattle were not out at grass fattening off grass , to many inputs in beef these days .

Too many inputs in conventional farming per se. Output output output which did no favours for the farmers really. All driven by subsidies as well.

 

[ollie989898]

I don't see what the problem with Australia or Brazil or Canada is. I really don't.

These countries have some serious climatic extremes, wind, rain, extreme temperatures. Droughts, intense hail or snowfall at highly inconvenient times. Some producers in these countries are hundreds of miles from a port, which means their product has to be double handled off a train or truck and on to a ship which is also thousands of miles from it's end user. This kind of supply chain also makes it near impossible to add value or deal directly with the consumer, leaving them solely in the realms of commodity production.

The UK producer has no such issues. His consumer could be in the next village. Put it in a van overnight and you can sell directly to affluent Londoners if you want. The UK producer can leverage his product with social media. What's more, his consumer likely speaks the same language he does and uses the same currency as well. The negative sentiment levelled at international producers is much reduced for the producer in the UK. He can talk of truly local food, produced in a sustainable or traditional way. He also has the ability to add value or produce premium product which separates him from the tonnes of X being loaded on to a ship and left in transit for weeks.

 

[Muck Spreader]

It is a big trading hub and a major financial centre. It is also surprising how many big companies choose to site themselves in the UK as we are major source of talent in a variety of markets.

Companies still choose London as a nominal HQ for its corporate tax haven network, Eight of the 10 jurisdictions identified as the highest risk corporate tax havens in the world are all part of the UK network: BVI, Bermuda, Cayman Islands, Isle of Man, Turks and Caicos, Anguilla, Jersey and Guernsey. So if you want to avoid paying tax or have money to launder its world leading.

 

[lloyd]

I don't see what the problem with Australia or Brazil or Canada is. I really don't.

These countries have some serious climatic extremes, wind, rain, extreme temperatures. Droughts, intense hail or snowfall at highly inconvenient times. Some producers in these countries are hundreds of miles from a port, which means their product has to be double handled off a train or truck and on to a ship which is also thousands of miles from it's end user. This kind of supply chain also makes it near impossible to add value or deal directly with the consumer, leaving them solely in the realms of commodity production.

The UK producer has no such issues. His consumer could be in the next village. Put it in a van overnight and you can sell directly to affluent Londoners if you want. The UK producer can leverage his product with social media. What's more, his consumer likely speaks the same language he does and uses the same currency as well. The negative sentiment levelled at international producers is much reduced for the producer in the UK. He can talk of truly local food, produced in a sustainable or traditional way. He also has the ability to add value or produce premium product which separates him from the tonnes of X being loaded on to a ship and left in transit for weeks.

That's all fine if you want to do that but has nothing to do
with the double standards of this government has it?

 

[ollie989898]

That's all fine if you want to do that but has nothing to do
with the double standards of this government has it?

What double standards?

 

[T7.wab]

What are these really high standards that people keep talking about? A movement and medicine book. Its not that difficult. (Just done my qms.....easy)

 

[Hilly]

I don't see what the problem with Australia or Brazil or Canada is. I really don't.

These countries have some serious climatic extremes, wind, rain, extreme temperatures. Droughts, intense hail or snowfall at highly inconvenient times. Some producers in these countries are hundreds of miles from a port, which means their product has to be double handled off a train or truck and on to a ship which is also thousands of miles from it's end user. This kind of supply chain also makes it near impossible to add value or deal directly with the consumer, leaving them solely in the realms of commodity production.

The UK producer has no such issues. His consumer could be in the next village. Put it in a van overnight and you can sell directly to affluent Londoners if you want. The UK producer can leverage his product with social media. What's more, his consumer likely speaks the same language he does and uses the same currency as well. The negative sentiment levelled at international producers is much reduced for the producer in the UK. He can talk of truly local food, produced in a sustainable or traditional way. He also has the ability to add value or produce premium product which separates him from the tonnes of X being loaded on to a ship and left in transit for weeks.

Farm where my Herefords originate in Montana were irrigating last week , this week they are under snow .

 

[lloyd]

What double standards?

As stated above
Import OSR grown with neonics from abroad but banned here.
Import GM soya but not allowed to grow it here.
Enviromental legislation here stopping removal of trees and hedges,cleaning a river but
again ok to import food from abroad no questions asked about such impacts.
Livestock in transport rules that are not required from most imports.
Not allowed to use beef hormones like the US.
The list is endless .
UK farming could easily compete with imports if it was deregulated completely
and In fair competition.

 

[Hilly]

As stated above
Import OSR grown with neonics from abroad but banned here.
Import GM soya but not allowed to grow it here.
Enviromental legislation here stopping removal of trees and hedges,cleaning a river but
again ok to import food from abroad no questions asked about such impacts.
Livestock in transport rules that are not required from most imports.
The list is endless .
UK farming could easily compete with imports if it was deregulated completely
and In fair competition.

What regulation do we have that costs money ?

 

[lloyd]

?

 

[Hilly]

?

As a livestock farmer I’m struggling to think of anything that costs me money under rules regs , maybe Qms , but that’s low hundreds hardly break the bank .