Autumn manure banned

[teslacoils]

You're "safer" using good old blue bag, than any sort of slurry or manure. How that's an environmental win I don't know. But then I'm beyond really caring.

 

[radar]

EA advertising for Agriculture Regulatory Inspection Officers this week. (£28 -34K). Job description states " engage with farmers to influence them to change their practice, which may involve difficult conversations"
I bet it will!

 

[ajd132]

You're "safer" using good old blue bag, than any sort of slurry or manure. How that's an environmental win I don't know. But then I'm beyond really caring.

I bet CF are all over this, just like them trying to get urea banned.
ridiculous that fertiliser companies are heavily involved with producing rb209

 

[Northern territory]

You're "safer" using good old blue bag, than any sort of slurry or manure. How that's an environmental win I don't know. But then I'm beyond really caring.

Very true it seems all arable and using blue bag is probably the less hassle option.

 

[Grass And Grain]

Ammonia is a greenhouse gas. It’s nitrates (formed from enzyme reduction of ammonia and ammonium) that leach. The topic here, in isolation, is the Farming Rules For Water which are concerned with nitrates and phosphates.

So what happens to the ammonia element of the FYM when it's ploughed down. Does the ammonia (or what it turns into) become leachable?

I wonder how much of the 10% readily available N comes from ammonia? No doubt depends on the type of FYM.

 

[beefandsleep]

Maize is a good solution but you are struggling to harvest grain in the uk

I predict that maize is the next thing they will ban, probably on a catchment wide basis.
Personally I wouldn’t mourn its disappearance as I feel it is largely responsible for our Tb issues, and with the runoff and damage to soils I see there is a far more compelling argument for that than stopping us spreading box muck on hard dry stubbles.

 

[Hindsight]

I bet CF are all over this, just like them trying to get urea banned.
ridiculous that fertiliser companies are heavily involved with producing rb209

Think you are suffering a touch of paranoia this morning old fella. Am sure CF wish - but it is only that, a wish. They and others are welcome to put forward data as and when RB209 is reviewed periodically.

 

[Dextersg]

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So what happens to the ammonia element of the FYM when it's ploughed down. Does the ammonia (or what it turns into) become leachable?

I wonder how much of the 10% readily available N comes from ammonia? No doubt depends on the type of FYM.

 

[Dextersg]

You're "safer" using good old blue bag, than any sort of slurry or manure. How that's an environmental win I don't know. But then I'm beyond really caring.

When does autumn officially start?

 

[Yale]

The point is being missed.

EA sit around a big table and have a meeting,emissions are too high,how do we sort this?

How about regulating farms out of production and importing food from abroad so exporting the issue.

Box ticked,now where’s the tea and biscuits……

 

[nonemouse]

The point is being missed.

EA sit around a big table and have a meeting,emissions are too high,how do we sort this?

How about regulating farms out of production and importing food from abroad so exporting the issue.

Box ticked,now where’s the tea and biscuits……

And it’s working, combined attack from EA and farm assurance means that if I can get grid connection and planning permission (that’s 2 very big IFs ) I’m out.

 

[Northern territory]

And it’s working, combined attack from EA and farm assurance means that if I can get grid connection and planning permission (that’s 2 very big IFs ) I’m out.

Someone told me last year that a big dairy farmer had upped sticks to Hungary purely because of the over burdensome regulation in the uk.

 

[Ukjay]

Ammonia is a greenhouse gas. It’s nitrates (formed from enzyme reduction of ammonia and ammonium) that leach. The topic here, in isolation, is the Farming Rules For Water which are concerned with nitrates and phosphates.

Just asking for my own understanding, but has Ammonia been recategorised into a GHG - as from what I have read in the past, due to its short life cycle in the atmosphere (relatively speaking), it does not have the climate warming concerns as to the likes of Methane, Nitrous Oxide, HFC's CO2 etc, thus was not included in the GHG list.

Wasn't the concern with Ammonia more aligned to potential acidification and eutrophication impacts, plus respiratory affects upon human health, and as Ag is a (the) largest producer of Ammonia globally if we accept what is written via (FYM and Synthetic Nitrogen Fertiliser), is why it is on the Clipboard Warriors radar to reduce levels, as (reading between the lines of some of their reports), are they not of the opinion that through certain preferable environmental conditions, the nitrification process can be such that it contributes to the increase of Nitrate levels in the water sources too?

 

[Humble Village Farmer]

Everyone goes on about grass but many a time people spread it on grass and you get no rain for two months and it is still sat on top. Someone else also mentioned disease risk. This policy sounds so unworkable. I know a farm who have 4000 B and B pigs who will be 80 % winter cropping and spread it on straight after harvest.

I know, you can't win. I do see both sides of the argument.

 

[snarling bee]

You're "safer" using good old blue bag, than any sort of slurry or manure. How that's an environmental win I don't know. But then I'm beyond really caring.

Having for years planted trees without a grant, popping in extra wild bird cover and phacelia without payment, and recently spending £500k on pig accommodation to get FYM to improve my soils; we are now being kicked in the teeth and the testicles by the madness that is this Govt and the EA. B@@10cks to the lot of them, B@@10cks to the environment, stuff the SFI and ELM, I'll just grow wheat with appropriate cultivation.

Now thats off my chest I'll go and do a Sunday Job in the workshop.

 

[Brisel]

Just asking for my own understanding, but has Ammonia been recategorised into a GHG - as from what I have read in the past, due to its short life cycle in the atmosphere (relatively speaking), it does not have the climate warming concerns as to the likes of Methane, Nitrous Oxide, HFC's CO2 etc, thus was not included in the GHG list.

Wasn't the concern with Ammonia more aligned to potential acidification and eutrophication impacts, plus respiratory affects upon human health, and as Ag is a (the) largest producer of Ammonia globally if we accept what is written via (FYM and Synthetic Nitrogen Fertiliser), is why it is on the Clipboard Warriors radar to reduce levels, as (reading between the lines of some of their reports), are they not of the opinion that through certain preferable environmental conditions, the nitrification process can be such that it contributes to the increase of Nitrate levels in the water sources too?

That is my understanding too, especially in the context of protecting water. Manufactured fertiliser is a side issue here.

 

[Brisel]

So what happens to the ammonia element of the FYM when it's ploughed down. Does the ammonia (or what it turns into) become leachable?

I wonder how much of the 10% readily available N comes from ammonia? No doubt depends on the type of FYM.

 

[Two Tone]

When does autumn officially start?

22nd September. Mine will all be on by then.

 

[An Gof]

Having for years planted trees without a grant, popping in extra wild bird cover and phacelia without payment, and recently spending £500k on pig accommodation to get FYM to improve my soils; we are now being kicked in the teeth and the testicles by the madness that is this Govt and the EA. B@@10cks to the lot of them, B@@10cks to the environment, stuff the SFI and ELM, I'll just grow wheat with appropriate cultivation.

Now thats off my chest I'll go and do a Sunday Job in the workshop.

That’s how I feel too. But it needs some ( many) of NFU Council to stand up and say that in Council. It’s time to get MUCH tougher and for those at the top representing us to smell the coffee. Ramifications from this are huge.

 

[Levelsman]

The issue is probably more to do with phosphates and potential algal bloom etc.

Down in Somerset, housing developments can't get pp granted on sites because of high phos in soils. They have to show how it will be mitigated.

Also, I believe, more costly than nitrates to extract before going into mains.