I don’t think there is any data (or even any trials done) to support applications of organic manure to a cover crop so no evidence of crop need or benefits. Cover crops are promoted to mop up residual nutrients from previous crop. We will just have to see what the actual announcement comes out with and see what the details are whenever they arrive. It’s not like the industry isn’t having enough radical changes to deal with without this nonsense on top.
Autumn manure banned
- Thread starter l'ordinary bonville
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Call it a catch crop for sheep feed.
- Location
- Lincolnshire
You are having a laugh. The Nfu have the worst media and marketing staff in the country. Whoever heads it up is entirely useless and should be ashamed of their whole career if this is the job they’ve aspired to. My dog has more idea about marketing.
As per usual the Nfu have done absolutely nothing to stop this, like they did nothing to stop Red Tractor ruining U.K. farming (oh wait that’s because they own red tractor) and why they did nothing to oppose the various trade agreements that will push U.K. agriculture down the toilet.
But what do you expect when the president is anti farming. She’s got a diversification that pays her £150k a year for being a ‘yes man’ president and aspiring to a MBE which is all the Nfu hierarchy want. They only care about themselves.
Was being ironic. Nfu couldn't organise a mad hatter's tea party in a secure institution dedicated to teaching culinary skills to retrain mentally disturbed, former milliners, on the occasion of one of their birthdays.
Got any replicated and statistically analyzed data on catch crops with and without manure applications showing a benefit from using manure? If not it could be tricky to show need if inspected!
It will all depend how awkward they want to be over it and the wording of the details. You could be right, no one know yet. Any disease issues grazing so soon after applications?
warksfarmer
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They couldn’t promote free beer to a pub full of men, let alone anything important to the industry they are supposed to look out for.
- Location
- Herefordshire
They are,after all,the" Non Farming Union" and have little interest in the needs of ordinary working farmers.I can't remember the last time they stood up publicly in support of farming and argue the case against all these nonsensical regulations being brought in.I think they are now having their strings pulled by their corporate members.You are having a laugh. The Nfu have the worst media and marketing staff in the country. Whoever heads it up is entirely useless and should be ashamed of their whole career if this is the job they’ve aspired to. My dog has more idea about marketing.
As per usual the Nfu have done absolutely nothing to stop this, like they did nothing to stop Red Tractor ruining U.K. farming (oh wait that’s because they own red tractor) and why they did nothing to oppose the various trade agreements that will push U.K. agriculture down the toilet.
But what do you expect when the president is anti farming
Well, we always have to use either some muck or artificial fertiliser to get a decent crop of stubble turnips.
Tilly's Boss
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- Location
- York
Needs to see the rules first but could jeopardise straw for muck deals,swapping valuable straw for a product you can’t use if mostly autumn cropping doesn’t seem good business sense.
- Location
- Yorks
Lots of folk put bagged N on stubble turnips, so FYM should be justified?
gone up the hill
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- Location
- Devon
Nope.
Minette is all about herself. always has been and always will be.
I realized this a few years ago when she pushed hard within her role at the NFU at the time to get Defra to bring in hard new rules ref selling cattle/ Tb testing for cattle herds that would mean many farmers would be unable to sell their stock for no good reason at all, Minette was all over the media when they introduced the new rules saying how great they were/ the industry would just have to suck them up and live with them....
Cue a few months later her own suckler herd was caught up in said new rules which meant she could not sell her suckled calves... Cue Minette all over the media saying the new rules were unjust/ should not have been introduced and were very damaging to her business and made it unviable. Well farmer after farmer told her this before the new rules were bought in but when she was pushing for them to be introduced, she ignored them all untill it affected her and her business..
AHDB did a report which pushed for Autumn manure spreading to be banned.
I appreciate you do a lot of work trying to defend the NFU but if you believe in the NFU and want it to still be relevant in 10 years time then you really need to stand back and take a look at just how the NFU under Minette is selling out the industry on every front.
And Minette and her two lackeys on the top team need to be kicked out come Feb and also a few senior staff members at Stoneleigh need to be farmed out if the NFU are going to come back from the utter mess under Minette's leadership it has now become!
Oh and we all know she refused to resign from the RT board untill she was forced to by senior NFU office/ past office holders, she could not see any conflict of intrest apparently between her role as NFU president and RT board member..... personally i do not think the RT board member for the NFU should be any of the top three people at the top of the NFU.
That may be so but do you have any replicated and statistically analyzed data on stubble turnips with and without manure applications showing a benefit from using manure?
I know I’m playing devils advocate, but I would imagine that is what an inspector would potentially want to be referred to as justification. I somehow doubt they will take your word for it!!
- Location
- Yorks
1kg/acre OSR off the heap = £0.45. Sprinkle it in muck spreader, seed as you spread FYM. Grow a cover of OSR (might come a bit patchy), glyphosate, drill cereal.
If you're following osr, rape plants will self-seed. That might be the best option, post OSR, as osr establishes itself for free, RB209 says osr has an autumn N requirement. Perfect.
Just need to figure out how to grow the original OSR cash crop.
Edit. Forgot about cost of the BSPB levy
If you're following osr, rape plants will self-seed. That might be the best option, post OSR, as osr establishes itself for free, RB209 says osr has an autumn N requirement. Perfect.
Just need to figure out how to grow the original OSR cash crop.
Edit. Forgot about cost of the BSPB levy
Should be, but can it if push comes to shove. I know OSR gets special treatment for autumn N. But you’ll be talking to an inspector who might not care that they are both brassica crops.
I hadn’t looked in the forage crops section of RB209.
Lots of BPS not coming our way would be my first thought.
This has just screwed every horse liveries in the country , there won’t be a farmer who will want it . Same for sewage cake , paper etc . This needs to go public , big , fast and raw. This will have far reaching effect all in the name of progress and blame lies at them whom flout common sense to spreading manure
- Location
- Yorks
It'll be a dedicated wing, 'cos we'll all stink of muck.
- Location
- Sedgefield
How about gardeners and allotments digging manure in over winter