BASF real results - Wheat growers wanted

[Mr Charisma]

I will gain someone more than £20/ha this year and it will not be by meddling with fungicides trying to determine which is best- (for which all the trial data has been laid out by NIAB anyway)

What I will actually do is, walk every field properly, discuss with the farmer how many grass weeds we saw, and as a result, we will save the cost of Atlantis or Broadway star being applied in some huge blanket amounting to a considerable cost. As a result he will keep more money in his pocket and we will not be continually pushing selection pressure at our grass weed populations.

I'm quite happy to throw my money at Atlantis ,,,,, every acre of wheat I have in the ground has got BG and every acre I hope to get as near to 99.whatever % control ,,,,,,,,,,, best return on my money I get ,,,,,, tho I always approach every Atlantis spraying season with some anticipation wondering will I get the 4 days of perfect weather that I need

 

[ollie989898]

I'm quite happy to throw my money at Atlantis ,,,,, every acre of wheat I have in the ground has got BG and every acre I hope to get as near to 99.whatever % control ,,,,,,,,,,, best return on my money I get ,,,,,, tho I always approach every Atlantis spraying season with some anticipation wondering will I get the 4 days of perfect weather that I need

Yes and people wonder why resistance happened!

 

[Mr Charisma]

Yes and people wonder why resistance happened!

Now you see this is the clever bit ,,,,,,,,, I have something which we have always had ,,,,,, it's called a rotation ,

Have usually had a spring crop in rotation , we very rarely grow 2nd wheat , but also more importantly I do the spraying myself , I have already witnessed Atlantis going on last Nov which will do diddly squat on a farm not many miles down the road , and they wonder why they have BG which they can't control

 

[franklin]

Yes and people wonder why resistance happened!

1) Spray wheat.
2) *Dont* rogue any stragglers.
3) Grow OSR.
4) Believe you got 100% control from the Kerb and dont look under the canopy.
5) Min-till it all in and drill wheat again in 3rd week of September.
6) Go back to step one. Wonder why its getting worse. Promise to think about it while skiing.

That's the recipe. Less BG-y farms in the locality let the rape stubbles green up, then plough them all. Spring Atlantis booked for all my wheat this year. But knowing that none of the fields have seen it in 6 or 7 years will be interesting. And anyway, cheaper than Starane + Axial (plus CCC).

 

[Jack Russell]

if you run this trial it should certainly keep him on his toes and his pencil sharp this year !

It may do. He's already pretty god on his prices. What I'm more interested in is comparing an alternative program to theirs. We already use a form of adexar across a good bit so would like to use this version against the standard adexar plus against the newer SDHI products.

 

[ollie989898]

Ill tell you why black grass has got where it has on the east:

1 so called 'minimum tillage' where soil is moved more than 1 inch in depth.

2 poor rotations

3 lazy agronomists blanketing hundreds of acres with grass weed herbicide. How else do you think they cover 20,000 acres?

You have made your own bed farming out of a can now you lay in it.

I want my serious growers to walk every step with me and see the situation first hand. It is their decision not mine.

 

[Clive]

Ill tell you why black grass has got where it has on the east:

1 so called 'minimum tillage' where soil is moved more than 1 inch in depth.

2 poor rotations

3 lazy agronomists blanketing hundreds of acres with grass weed herbicide. How else do you think they cover 20,000 acres?

You have made your own bed farming out of a can now you lay in it.

I want my serious growers to walk every step with me and see the situation first hand. It is their decision not mine.

I've been saying for a long time that Blackgrass, slugs and aphids is not a problem but simply a symptom of the real problem

Your points above are part of the solution but only a part still

 

[Mr Charisma]

Ill tell you why black grass has got where it has on the east:

1 so called 'minimum tillage' where soil is moved more than 1 inch in depth.

2 poor rotations

3 lazy agronomists blanketing hundreds of acres with grass weed herbicide. How else do you think they cover 20,000 acres?

You have made your own bed farming out of a can now you lay in it.

I want my serious growers to walk every step with me and see the situation first hand. It is their decision not mine.

My last comment so we don't move to far away from the subject in hand

So even tho I have a varied rotation , plough as and when I think required, but because I 'max' till then I will be doomed to a bed in hell

 

[SilliamWhale]

1) Spray wheat.
2) *Dont* rogue any stragglers.
3) Grow OSR.
4) Believe you got 100% control from the Kerb and dont look under the canopy.
5) Min-till it all in and drill wheat again in 3rd week of September.
6) Go back to step one. Wonder why its getting worse. Promise to think about it while skiing.

That's the recipe. Less BG-y farms in the locality let the rape stubbles green up, then plough them all. Spring Atlantis booked for all my wheat this year. But knowing that none of the fields have seen it in 6 or 7 years will be interesting. And anyway, cheaper than Starane + Axial (plus CCC).

This is what I feel about Broadway Star. It will mop up some wild oats and brome for me as well as all broadleaves son really its not so far off cost wise

 

[SilliamWhale]

Ill tell you why black grass has got where it has on the east:

1 so called 'minimum tillage' where soil is moved more than 1 inch in depth.

2 poor rotations

3 lazy agronomists blanketing hundreds of acres with grass weed herbicide. How else do you think they cover 20,000 acres?

You have made your own bed farming out of a can now you lay in it.

I want my serious growers to walk every step with me and see the situation first hand. It is their decision not mine.

I don't think its minimum tillage per se. Its probable that weeds get mixed up and emerge at different times but I don't think min till causes blackgrass anymore than the plough solves it

 

[franklin]

Clods dont help. Solo if you want, but run tight behind with power harrow and rolls. Then leave it be a couple of months. Dont make clods and wait for weather on them, and run press in front of drill. No good.

 

[Clive]

Fungicide thread becomes a blackgtass thread ?

You grassmen are obsessed ;-)

Who wants to be part of a fungicide trial ?

https://www.basfrealresults.co.uk/wheat/

 

[Flyer]

Fungicide thread becomes a blackgtass thread ?

You grassmen are obsessed ;-)

Who wants to be part of a fungicide trial ?

https://www.basfrealresults.co.uk/wheat/

Do we get paid for taking part?

 

[shakerator]

1) Spray wheat.
2) *Dont* rogue any stragglers.
3) Grow OSR.
4) Believe you got 100% control from the Kerb and dont look under the canopy.
5) Min-till it all in and drill wheat again in 3rd week of September.
6) Go back to step one. Wonder why its getting worse. Promise to think about it while skiing.

That's the recipe. Less BG-y farms in the locality let the rape stubbles green up, then plough them all. Spring Atlantis booked for all my wheat this year. But knowing that none of the fields have seen it in 6 or 7 years will be interesting. And anyway, cheaper than Starane + Axial (plus CCC).

More black grassy farms never get a carpet of rape due to slugs !

 

[Mr Charisma]

Fungicide thread becomes a blackgtass thread ?

You grassmen are obsessed ;-)

Who wants to be part of a fungicide trial ?

https://www.basfrealresults.co.uk/wheat/

I think those who have bad BG do and have to become obsessed with the stuff ,,,,,, looking around me sometimes you would think what's the point of spending mega pounds on a T1 and then a T2 to be followed up by 3L of glypho instead of T3

 

[Clive]

Do we get paid for taking part?

no - but if chosen you get some chemical and advice and ultimately the R&D that you should be doing in your farm so you know what if the ROI on such inputs is worthwhile or not

from what I gather there is already 120 applied and only 50 places - its not first come first served though and BASF will pick 50 that gives a good spread of farm size, type and geography etc

 

[Flyer]

no - but if chosen you get some chemical and advice and ultimately the R&D that you should be doing in your farm so you know what if the ROI on such inputs is worthwhile or not

from what I gather there is already 120 applied and only 50 places - its not first come first served though and BASF will pick 50 that gives a good spread of farm size, type and geography etc

Did you get paid for doing it last year? Just seems a lot of effort and hassle for no real benefit other than marketing for BASF.

 

[Clive]

Did you get paid for doing it last year? Just seems a lot of effort and hassle for no real benefit other than marketing for BASF.

No I didn't get paid for doing the trial in fact I announced what I was going to do on TFF ........ and then told them !

Why do you think the info was of no benifit to me ? The result will shape my 2017 fungicide program as there is no better or more relevant to me data than that from my own farm surely ?

I did get paid for having my picture taken and letting them use it in various ads etc though - why would I do that for free when it took my time etc and used my image ?

BASF got a good result in 2016, Maybe it won't go their way in 2017 ? Yet again I think they are being brave standing by their claim in such a public way. I don't see their competitors following their lead

If your sceptical why not be part of it and test the claim yourself ?

 

[ollie989898]

I did wonder who the old duffer in the BASF presentation was. Lots of people had a laugh when I pointed out his 'tommy two thumbs' genetic throwback, very common around Stockbridge but not exclusively found there I see.

Already use Adexar at T2 anyway as I believe it has more curative activity than Aviator (ref: check which SDHIs are broken down in Septoria cell culture inside 72 hours), but it is not the only game in town and I have equal results with Dupont's material if I am honest.

Librax- eh? What the cronk does Metconazole have to do with anything?

If you ask me Dow's new product which is yet some years away will constitute something in the way of news as totally different AI and mode of action to other chemistry but wait and see. By then we have have cracked the wheat genome and just be gene editing varieties instead.

 

[ollie989898]

I don't think its minimum tillage per se. Its probable that weeds get mixed up and emerge at different times but I don't think min till causes blackgrass anymore than the plough solves it

It's min-till.

Anything involving the movement of more than a few CM of dirt is the culprit.

Either plough, scratch and drill or direct drill IMO.

Ask the Irish whose farms are blackgrass free and how they kept them that way? It's the blokes with 5 furrows left to drag about.