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[Danllan]

...In regards to the Gorka guy...

By an odd coincidence he was at school with one of my childhood best friends; my main memories of him are that he was very fat and had the nickname of 'Minus G' - this being a reference to his large size and resemblance to a whale. He and my friend were middle-men for the distribution of French Bangers which I brokered from contacts at my school, a fairly remunerative business for the time... .

 

[wanton dwarf]

I saw that mentioned at some stage last year. I do not understand modern methods of communication very well, but quite frankly I wondered if the woman was doing it on purpose. Some dodgy characters appear to have made very big donations to the Clintons. Maybe she is just greedy and thick - a bit like her "I never had sex with that woman" husband.

I don't think she is thick.

She knew the dangers yet decided to do what she wanted anyway ... and specifically avoid Freedom of Information laws.

Speaks volumes that she was still able to avoid any fallout from the security services. O-bombed it I guess.

I was once warned by the Police about using mobile phones ... basically telling me I could be listened to I guess.

I'd like to read some information on her husbands activities and where he got $1+ billion to fund the election campaign via the Clinton Foundation.

 

[Old McDonald]

I don't think she is thick.

I am not sure one way or the other about that.

I'd like to read some information on her husbands activities and where he got $1+ billion

He was paid half a million to give a talk somewhere. One of her "contacts" from her political days if the story was correct. I know it takes a few of those to rack up a billion, but I Ithought the foundation put up somewhat less. Could be wrong, I did not follow it too closely.

 

[JohnGalway]

Hillarys biggest problem wasn't emails. It was her sense of entitlement to be the perpetual Democratic candidate simply because she drew breath.

 

[dstudent]

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Yes I ve read this, it s about the use of her personal blackberry, I m gonna send you another report from the Office of Inspector General. this is quite good has it explaines how the all business and departimental record keeping evolved through the years, read it carefully including the footnotes, as this is your area of expertise you ll be able to explain it to me. However a few things immediatly jump out , Colin Powell knowingly, not saving his emails and use of a non governamental lap top whilst in the Dep office, use of a private line and email. Secondly they found endemic weaknesses, disorganization, lack of proper record keeping a general lax attitude, through the years covering many governamental departments and the use of private emails by many staff, as well as under all the 4 secretaries of state investigated here.
I feel that there is an overly fixation with Hilary, why are not Albright and Rice and their staff 's actions put under the same level of scrutiny? What about Powell?
Lastly it s seams to be all very confused, very burocratic, who was supposed to do what and when?
Still does all this amount to criminal activity?
The use of the blackberry again, possibly bad decision, still not criminal or against procedures as long as not in the office, Powell did worst he used a non governamental laptop in office.
Now the bit u added there is a difference between personal and governamental devices and the rules which governed them in regards to record keeping. I think its explained some where in this paper.
Sorry for the essay, I m just trying to understand the all thing, i want to be fair and not let my personal judgment get in the way.

 

[Roger Perry]

The foundation was used as a slush fund, people who found doors / access closed to them when Hillary was sec of state suddenly found that upon receipt of a few $$$$ that the red carpet was rolled out and any request was granted.

Talk about abuse of power for personal gain..!!

 

[JohnGalway]

The foundation was used as a slush fund, people who found doors / access closed to them when Hillary was sec of state suddenly found that upon receipt of a few $$$$ that the red carpet was rolled out and any request was granted.

Talk about abuse of power for personal gain..!!

Wait, that sounds familiar, mar.... mar..... mar-a....... something, sh!t, it'll come to me.

 

[wanton dwarf]

Yes I ve read this, it s about the use of her personal blackberry, I m gonna send you another report from the Office of Inspector General. this is quite good has it explaines how the all business and departimental record keeping evolved through the years, read it carefully including the footnotes, as this is your area of expertise you ll be able to explain it to me. However a few things immediatly jump out , Colin Powell knowingly, not saving his emails and use of a non governamental lap top whilst in the Dep office, use of a private line and email. Secondly they found endemic weaknesses, disorganization, lack of proper record keeping a general lax attitude and through the years covering many governamental departments and the use of private emails by many staff, as well as under all the 4 secretaries of state investigated here.
I fell that there is an overly fixation with Hilary, why are not Albright and Rice and their staff 's actions put under the same level of scrutiny? What about Powell?
Lastly it s seams to be all very confused, very burocratic, who was supposed to do what and when?
Still does all this amount to criminal activity?
The use of the blackberry again, possibly bad decision, still not criminal or against proceduresas long as not in the office, Powell did worst he used a non governamental laptop in office.
Now the bit u added there is a difference between personal and governamental devices and the rules which governed them in regards to record keeping. I think its explained some where in this paper.
Sorry for the essay, I m just trying to understand the all thing, i want to be fair and not let my personal judgment get in the way.

I don't think I'm an expert in this. I just have an interest in IT since I was very young. My expertise was in big corporate IT & business.

I don't know the timeline involved here but I don't think it is fair to compare all of these 4 secretaries in the same way.

Mobile phone technology has moved on massively over the years. What was secure for a mobile phone 10 years ago might be avoided today because modern phones have so many ways of recording, communicating, apps & storage.

10 years ago you might take photos and send them to someone, today you can scan documents immediately, grab the text and send that instead. You can overlay information over what your phone can see in real time. But also this could be going on all the time and you would not know.

Having said that the way Powell avoided FOI on emails is disturbing. Hilary was investigated because she wanted to be POTUS.

BTW I hardly use mobiles so I know I'm behind the curve on what they can do.

Remind me to take a look if I forget .. gonna sleep.

 

[dstudent]

I don't think I'm an expert in this. I just have an interest in IT since I was very young. My expertise was in big corporate IT & business.

I don't know the timeline involved here but I don't think it is fair to compare all of these 4 secretaries in the same way.

Mobile phone technology has moved on massively over the years. What was secure for a mobile phone 10 years ago might be avoided today because modern phones have so many ways of recording, communicating, apps & storage.

10 years ago you might take photos and send them to someone, today you can scan documents immediately, grab the text and send that instead. You can overlay information over what your phone can see in real time. But also this could be going on all the time and you would not know.

Having said that the way Powell avoided FOI on emails is disturbing. Hilary was investigated because she wanted to be POTUS.

BTW I hardly use mobiles so I know I'm behind the curve on what they can do.

Remind me to take a look if I forget .. gonna sleep.

Ok I m gonna let u rest, and I m sorry I know am a bit stubborn I don t mean to bother u so much
One point of the report is about regulations not keeping up with technology, and it looks that even Hilary was a bit out of her depth.
Anyway goodnight

 

[baabaa]

Wouldn t u. they are not exactly being impartial are they. They are out for blood, who is the guy requesting this and why? What s his agenda?

Buy the way why don t they go after any of the preceeding Secretary of states?
Albright, Rice and Powell did not follow procedures and like Clinton did not produce any af their communications upon leaving untill asked in 2014. Apparently the retaining and saving documents and the methodology was all over the place, and all the above one way or another have been found at fault.
Albright did not use emails should her paper trail or lack thereof be the cause of an invedtigation?

Further Collin Powell did not save his emails at all and used a lap top no one knows where it comes from and personal email address, this whilst being in charge of the Iraq invasion. I would like to see his emails, ho but wait, he did not save them. Congressional hearing please
What s this obsession with Hilary, she lost an election for this, she apolgised.
In the mean time her department had been hacked 6 times ( I think the correct times are in the article) whilst her server does not seam to have been succesfully attacked.
What s the fuss, I m not a fan of the lady, but I ve to wonder why?
Now let s keep our eyes on Flynn please.

did any of the other secrataries of state bring in a private firm to wipe all traces of there emails?
flynn will indeed be worth watching, i think you might be surprised where that ends up

 

[Wessland]

At 1.08 it says "SWEDEN" in capitals and is followed by an interview with two Swedish women who seem to be very Swedish to me.

I was impressed by the small but fit bloke at 7.46 who showed how to deal with four men who were bigger than him, one of which had started the whole incident by going up to his girlfriend and stroking her hair. The girl did her best as well by trying to push the attackers off balance.
All very unpleasant and worrying for two people who were obviously peacefully minding their own business.

I live in Sweden, and believe me, that Christmas three is not a Swedish one, It's a well known fact, so someone i manipulating YOUR mind.

It's true we have a problem in some suburbs in Sweden but it's not a new problem.

 

[Muck Spreader]

I live in Sweden, and believe me, that Christmas three is not a Swedish one, It's a well known fact, so someone i manipulating YOUR mind.

It's true we have a problem in some suburbs in Sweden but it's not a new problem.

If the alternative truth folk on this forum tell you it's Sweden it's easier just to agree

 

[Billhook]

I live in Sweden, and believe me, that Christmas three is not a Swedish one, It's a well known fact, so someone i manipulating YOUR mind.

It's true we have a problem in some suburbs in Sweden but it's not a new problem.

Perhaps your computer is different to mine but the Christmas tree incident is before 1.08 on my computer and not what I am talking about. I am talking about what the Swedish woman says after the introduction where the headline is "Sweden" , She starts talking at 1.47 and continues to 2.36.
Later at 4.35 there is a Norwegian police statistic which states that in Oslo near 100% of rape assaults between strangers were perpetrated by immigrant non white males.
Kristin Spitznogle is interviewed at 4.57 who is a therapist who has counselled rape victims.
Who am I (or Trump) to believe, you with your opinion or these people with evidence to back up their stories?

So now you say you have a problem in some suburbs which is shown in the video at 1.32 as a number of no go areas. Not a new problem? Is the problem caused by native white Swedes?

 

[turbo]

Now not for the first time I could be being a bit thick but I have watched his speech a few times now on different media outlets and I still carnt see were he said a terrorist attack,what I heard was they (Sweden) are having terrible trouble with a open border policy and he doesn't want that to happen in usa

 

[baabaa]

a deal with the devil ?

 

[Hindsight]

Now not for the first time I could be being a bit thick but I have watched his speech a few times now on different media outlets and I still carnt see were he said a terrorist attack,what I heard was they (Sweden) are having terrible trouble with a open border policy and he doesn't want that to happen in usa

As ever everything is open to individuals interpretation depending on their slant on the topic - hence the heated debates.

You have listened to Mr Trumps Florida speech probably more than me. I have listened a couple of times to the section where he refers to Sweden, Germany and Europe. I concur he does not state a terrorist attack. He refers in passing to an incident in Sweden last night (Friday) - leaving that open to the listeners interpretation/imagination, potentially quite a clever trick/play of words . And in the context of a section of his speech that refers to 'taking in large numbers, they have problems' He references to Paris, Nice, Brussels etc - all muslim terrorist incidents. The context of that section of his speech is I suggest / my opinion anti Muslim (terrorists) but potentially tarring all with same brush - as he does not reference Mexicans/British/and any other nationalities that might be immigrants to USA. Although I appreciate his initial executive order focused on just seven mainly muslim countries. I have no view if this is right or wrong. He intends to vet more which seems reasonable - just that he has possibly gone about it a bit like a bull in a china shop -- but time will tell. But the rhetoric does have potential to tar in general Muslims as negative citizens - when in reality (my version) the majority will just want to get on with their lives peacefully.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39023978

 

[dstudent]

Perhaps your computer is different to mine but the Christmas tree incident is before 1.08 on my computer and not what I am talking about. I am talking about what the Swedish woman says after the introduction where the headline is "Sweden" , She starts talking at 1.47 and continues to 2.36.
Later at 4.35 there is a Norwegian police statistic which states that in Oslo near 100% of rape assaults between strangers were perpetrated by immigrant non white males.
Kristin Spitznogle is interviewed at 4.57 who is a therapist who has counselled rape victims.
Who am I (or Trump) to believe, you with your opinion or these people with evidence to back up their stories?

So now you say you have a problem in some suburbs which is shown in the video at 1.32 as a number of no go areas. Not a new problem? Is the problem caused by native white Swedes?

That is all false data propagated by the right wing tink tank gatestone institute well know for being a racist islamophobe group, for disseminating the false propagand of right wing nutters.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatestone_Institute

There has not been a what that she say 150% raise in rape. There are no 'no go areas' that is all a lot of lies, racist propaganda.
http://www.vox.com/world/2017/2/20/14669572/sweden-trump-immigrant-crime
https://leftfootforward.org/2017/02...ape-epidemic-has-nothing-to-do-with-refugees/
https://www.buzzfeed.com/ishmaeldaro/no-go-zone-myth?utm_term=.ia64OdOZx#.isDeP7Pn2
Like I said not true at all, as a woman I am offended of the use of rape as a tool of racist xenophobic propaganda. The aim of this very edited video full of inaccuracies covering different times and places, cerry picking specific incidents, is to foster hate,
and tar all muslim , refugees as criminal and rapist.
Don t get me wrong I know and can see some problems and issues, but this video is a call to hate and fear, right there with hitler anti-jewish propaganda machine

 

[JohnGalway]

Now not for the first time I could be being a bit thick but I have watched his speech a few times now on different media outlets and I still carnt see were he said a terrorist attack,what I heard was they (Sweden) are having terrible trouble with a open border policy and he doesn't want that to happen in usa

The former (as recent as 2015)US ambassador to Sweden was on MSNBC saying State Department figures do not bear out Trumps Swedish crime assumption. There wasn't a terror attack and nor was there this yuge increase in crime.

 

[dstudent]

The former (as recent as 2015)US ambassador to Sweden was on MSNBC saying State Department figures do not bear out Trumps Swedish crime assumption. There wasn't a terror attack and nor was there this yuge increase in crime.

Here a few more facts about crime and immigration in Sweden
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-statistics-say-about-immigration-and-sweden/

 

[turbo]

The former (as recent as 2015)US ambassador to Sweden was on MSNBC saying State Department figures do not bear out Trumps Swedish crime assumption. There wasn't a terror attack and nor was there this yuge increase in crime.

People living there and the Fox News report paints a totally different picture of life there though ,there was a lorry driver on the radio yesterday talking about it and if he is to be believed it is not very good over there at the moment