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Really!!??!!Fri bull calves here are making as much if not more than contx/ native calves.
Not according to gth market reports or any trade I've seen.
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Really!!??!!Fri bull calves here are making as much if not more than contx/ native calves.
you don't believe those market reports do you ?Really!!??!!
Not according to gth market reports or any trade I've seen.
Really!!??!!
Not according to gth market reports or any trade I've seen.
Maybe, but decent conti x will make £100- 200 more than decent b&wI have seen plenty of calves sold over the last few months and I have seen plenty of Fri bulls make more than contx/nativex calves like for like.
GTH reports even state some weeks that Fri bull calves are very much in demand and actually selling to a faster trade than con/ nativex calves.
For example I saw 2 smart Hereford bulls make £95 in Exeter last week, then a few mins later 3 HFx bull calves made £102.....................
Sorry iv just read back I got it wrong.im sure it said longhornNot sure he said they were longhorns...
I have a dairy farmer neighbour who will lose his contract if they find out he shoots calves at birth.There is still room for continental calves to come back in price by a bit yet the dairy farmer won’t shoot a BB calf if it’s worth £100. The B/W calves may soon have to be sold/given away and not shot on farm to satisfy milk buyers after recent television coverage. Many Scottish dairy bulls are still shot at birth to avoid the cost of BVD testing and the delay to selling them. I say could happen not should by the way
The problem is there cannot be a revaluation like you suggest because if that happens there will be NO UK beef sector to talk about left, calf rearers cannot cut purchase price anymore because if they do the dairy farmers will just send the calves to kill, even a NZ dairy mongrel bull calve is worth £30/40 on the hook, and there is very little if any scope for calve rearers to cut costs and do the job right!
End of the day with current input prices that are only going to get higher every year no one can rear and sell 12/18+ month old 400/500 kilo cattle for around the £600 mark and cover costs let alone make a profit and if the beef price stays anywhere near where it currently is that is all finishers will be able to pay for store cattle.
This is what i meant in post above. I was not saying it should happen just speculating on what might happen.There is still room for continental calves to come back in price by a bit yet the dairy farmer won’t shoot a BB calf if it’s worth £100. The B/W calves may soon have to be sold/given away and not shot on farm to satisfy milk buyers after recent television coverage. Many Scottish dairy bulls are still shot at birth to avoid the cost of BVD testing and the delay to selling them. I say could happen not should by the way
This is what i meant in post above. I was not saying it should happen just speculating on what might happen.
We all know beef price is the problem but not a lot we can do about it.
As you say there is room for continental calf price to fall.
In time will sexed semen vastly reduce BW bull numbers.this may be direction the industry is forced to take.
One thing is for sure at £3 nobody can carry on as we are.
Interestingly it appears that sexed semen from beef breeds is gaining popularity amongst dairy farmers as more choice of sire becomes available.They want bull calves not heifers as they are worth more. I guess as demand drops from the suckler herd for heifers as replacements it won’t create a shortage for anyone. If nearly all cont.x calves end up being male in years to come I wonder if it will have any effect on anything?
A lot of dairy bred store cattle coming forward here and a lot of buyers not interested in them. There’s a huge gap in values easily £300 for the bigger end £200 plus for the lesser end.Already having a huge effect I'd say. In time the level of beef x calves coming out of the dairy herd will place significant pressure on the suckler industry to the point that it will only remain in areas of the UK that cannot support any other form of farming. Or the very very efficient producers who can get their cow costs on the floor. Its already well over 50% of the UK's beef that's supplied by the dairy herd and with wider use of sexed seen that's only going to increase im sure.
A lot of dairy bred store cattle coming forward here and a lot of buyers not interested in them. There’s a huge gap in values easily £300 for the bigger end £200 plus for the lesser end.
Where is -50pYes but that figure only equates to the difference in value at the other end. The days of -5p for an O+ and -12p for an O- are gone. -15p to -50p now. The gap is just widening to fit people are beginning to realise.
If you look at it another way there’s no chance in me being able to present a store beast at sale 500 kilos at £900 and make a profit on the other hand a reasonably well shaped beef bred store at 400 kilos can make over £1000Yes but that figure only equates to the difference in value at the other end. The days of -5p for an O+ and -12p for an O- are gone. -15p to -50p now. The gap is just widening to fit people are beginning to realise.
A lot of dairy bred store cattle coming forward here and a lot of buyers not interested in them. There’s a huge gap in values easily £300 for the bigger end £200 plus for the lesser end.
Heard the same a few months ago by a buyer for an abatoir makes you not want to bother with the job!Spring lambs down 15pk to £4-30
No idea if its correct or not but was told today that the aim is to get the UK beef price for clean cattle down to as near as £3 a kilo as possible!
At the moment dairy bred need rearing and fattening on farm and selling deadweight. I know a man doing this and does very well.A lot of dairy bred store cattle coming forward here and a lot of buyers not interested in them. There’s a huge gap in values easily £300 for the bigger end £200 plus for the lesser end.
The buyers I see in the stores look as if they are full up with those type of cattle. It’s good for those of us who have the beef types as it pushes the price up as there isn’t as many of that type forward at this time of yearAt the moment dairy bred need rearing and fattening on farm and selling deadweight. I know a man doing this and does very well.