Beef / Lamb & Pig Price Tracker

[ford4000]

Bugger..... '

 

[neilo]

problem is , its the live buyers/ sellers that set the price that the grid is based on , and its based on the average so thats all the good stuff and crap hill stuff , i agree with what your saying and we sold dead for many years , grading sheets are very useful , but left to their own devices we will all get hung out to dry . we really all need a new transparent system of selling lambs .

Something that would pay us a margin over and above our cost of production, rather than what the buyers decide sitting in the market cafe beforehand???

 

[Celt83]

Anyone know what the trade on store cattle is like at the moment?

We've got some to go and I was wondering if they are up or down

 

[Henarar]

They quote you a price per kg before you take them presumably? Much like dw then, take it or leave it, but you get to pay a middle man?

I fail to see how selling that way is supporting competition in the live marts, any more than selling dw. Surely the operating company/market is just doing exactly the same as any other dw selling agent, of which there are many around the country.

I never said it did support live markets did I

 

[Henarar]

Something that would pay us a margin over and above our cost of production, rather than what the buyers decide sitting in the market cafe beforehand???

this is just the trouble with live selling at SOME markets, there simply are not enough buyers so they get together that's why we don't sell live, not sure what markets can do about it, some still work though we sell cull cows live and that seems to work very well but there are far more buyers
still think if all markets were gone things would be far worse

 

[LAMBCHOPS]

this is just the trouble with live selling at SOME markets, there simply are not enough buyers so they get together that's why we don't sell live, not sure what markets can do about it, some still work though we sell cull cows live and that seems to work very well but there are far more buyers
still think if all markets were gone things would be far worse

Markets unless they are vibrant regarding competition between buyers will probably see the auctioneers take on the role of agents for our fatstock. Store buyers are plentiful so no need to worry about that part of the system. The method of selling has changed historically time and time again and will always keep changing to keep us all in business. I have 50 ton of lamb to sell so does my neighbour and his neigbour it would not take rocket science to gather that meat in regionally and negotiate a fair price. The future is in the hands of the buyers a good price carry on bad we will see change.

 

[neilo]

this is just the trouble with live selling at SOME markets, there simply are not enough buyers so they get together that's why we don't sell live, not sure what markets can do about it, some still work though we sell cull cows live and that seems to work very well but there are far more buyers
still think if all markets were gone things would be far worse

I think small markets especially suffer from that, with a lot only having dealers buying. When we used to sell at Worcester (red market on Wednesday), there used to be lots of cull ewes in there, bought by dealers in Stratford & Cirencester markets (both Tuesday marts). I’ve even seen a some ewes in there from a Yorkshire flock I knew. When I spoke to them, they’d sold them in a small market near home. Dealers were regularly clearing £20/had on those ewes in a Spring, which was £20 the vendors weren’t seeing.

 

[LAMBCHOPS]

I think small markets especially suffer from that, with a lot only having dealers buying. When we used to sell at Worcester (red market on Wednesday), there used to be lots of cull ewes in there, bought by dealers in Stratford & Cirencester markets (both Tuesday marts). I’ve even seen a some ewes in there from a Yorkshire flock I knew. When I spoke to them, they’d sold them in a small market near home. Dealers were regularly clearing £20/had on those ewes in a Spring, which was £20 the vendors weren’t seeing.

two markets closed this week means big markets will get bigger giving more power to those markets

Anyone know what the trade on store cattle is like at the moment?

We've got some to go and I was wondering if they are up or down

Vibrant sale in Raglan Monmouthshire market today 200 stores in and anything fleshed was a good trade, seemed to be plenty of customers. Trade would be £100 up i would say on a month ago

 

[matthew]

I think small markets especially suffer from that, with a lot only having dealers buying. When we used to sell at Worcester (red market on Wednesday), there used to be lots of cull ewes in there, bought by dealers in Stratford & Cirencester markets (both Tuesday marts). I’ve even seen a some ewes in there from a Yorkshire flock I knew. When I spoke to them, they’d sold them in a small market near home. Dealers were regularly clearing £20/had on those ewes in a Spring, which was £20 the vendors weren’t seeing.

So where did they spend the night or days? 6 day standstill? Or did the poor buggers stand on the lorry and not hit the ground?
At times like this, I hate dealers.

 

[@dlm]

Fully agree with @andybk that it's great those receiving a fiver a lamb dw but if we all went on it how long will it last? It's clear not 5 minutes same as f & m. Same reason as why live is a fIver behind dw. Too many going dw so simply topping up from live so if a few short not the end of the world. If people are happy taking the extra fiver as retirement is near and grasping every last few quid to go golfing and hAve second third home then right decision . But if people think long term support of dw and shrinking of lw lamb sales is the future then brexit is the least of their worries. Appreciate guy that said he worked elsewhere so loading lambs at 6 am and working elsewhere was more efficient. It is. But to suggest no arguments against is ridiculous. Efficiency in my eyes is inputs versus outputs. Again short term his views are correct but a few years down the line with income back 40 % then that distorts the efficiency theory of today. ..

 

[Celt83]

Vibrant sale in Raglan Monmouthshire market today 200 stores in and anything fleshed was a good trade, seemed to be plenty of customers. Trade would be £100 up i would say on a month ago[/QUOTE]

That's a bit of good news thanks.

 

[goodevans]

Wasn't the problem with foot and mouth the fact we couldn't export not that there was no markets, but there lies another impending problem

 

[Poorbuthappy]

Wasn't the problem with foot and mouth was we couldn't export not that there was no markets, but there lies another impending problem

Ah but we're continually told the problem during f&m was lack of lw markets so obviously brexit won't be a problem cos we'll still have markets?

 

[organic]

Raglan Stores Today:

– An excellent show of 198 store cattle forward meeting a brisk trade on all the well bred types. Level bunches of farming cattle together with strong feeding sorts easiest to sell. Plainer and out of spec cattle continue to be hard to place. Feeding steers to £1140 (19m) for Gelbvieh crosses from GP & NC Thomas, Cowbridge. Simmental crosses to £1095 (563kg-17m) from Mrs M Evans, Talgarth. A strong consignment of Charolais crosses from TG, D & JL James, Swansea sold to £1090 (560kg-23m) & £1060 (545kg-25m). Grazing types topped at £1060 (565kg-15m) for Charolais crosses from Williams Bros, Blackmill, closely followed by £1020 (13-14m) & £955 (12-14m). A super consignment of Aberdeen Angus cross steers from BB Farming, English Bicknor sold to £980 (14-16m), £965 (15-16m) & £920 (13-15m). Yearling steers easily sold with well bred Charolais 214p/kg–234p/kg from Williams Bros, Blackmill.

Feeding heifers sold to £1085 (635kg-28m) for Limousin crosses from J Griffiths, Rhiwderin, Simmental crosses to £1075 (605kg-28m) from the same home. GR Parry, Llandenny sold Limousin crosses to £1065 (595kg-26m). Charolais crosses to £1055 (530kg-26m), £1055 (502kg-25m) from TG, D & JL James, Swansea. Grazing types to £950 (510kg-16m) from DW Stephens & Son, Pengenfford, for Charolais crosses. Williams Bros, Blackmill sold Charolais crosses to £890 (13m). The best of the heifers in excess of £2/kg. The run of the mill around 190p/kg.

 

[LAMBCHOPS]

Fully agree with @andybk that it's great those receiving a fiver a lamb dw but if we all went on it how long will it last? It's clear not 5 minutes same as f & m. Same reason as why live is a fIver behind dw. Too many going dw so simply topping up from live so if a few short not the end of the world. If people are happy taking the extra fiver as retirement is near and grasping every last few quid to go golfing and hAve second third home then right decision . But if people think long term support of dw and shrinking of lw lamb sales is the future then brexit is the least of their worries. Appreciate guy that said he worked elsewhere so loading lambs at 6 am and working elsewhere was more efficient. It is. But to suggest no arguments against is ridiculous. Efficiency in my eyes is inputs versus outputs. Again short term his views are correct but a few years down the line with income back 40 % then that distorts the efficiency theory of today. ..

Plenty of younger people renting a 200 acre farm for 10/12k and selling a thousand lambs a fiver better hence six months of their rent being paid. We can all be romantic but the bottom line counts i have been and are one of them for the last 15 years would love to sell in live market if it was more consistant

 

[casper74]

Anyone know what the trade on store cattle is like at the moment?

We've got some to go and I was wondering if they are up or down

Store cattle at the moment seem a good trade compared to fat from my point of view who is buying them to fatten, best bred cattle will always sell well, some dairy bred cattle some sales seem dear, other sales seem easier.
I can't see them getting any less, to much food around and to many big boys with contracts to fill and low on numbers at present

 

[Henarar]

Ah but we're continually told the problem during f&m was lack of lw markets so obviously brexit won't be a problem cos we'll still have markets?

things soon changed when the markets re opened

 

[livestock 1]

Penrith av 188 for lambs today heavy lambs were the best improvement
Ewes up £19 per head on the week horned ewes the most improved

 

[neilo]

So where did they spend the night or days? 6 day standstill? Or did the poor buggers stand on the lorry and not hit the ground?
At times like this, I hate dealers.

Worcester is (was?) a red market every week, so the 6 day standstill didn’t apply. They were bought from green (dealer run) markets the day before, spent the night on a farm somewhere, then into Worcester, where there are several good cull buyers in attendance every week.

 

[jendan]

Bugger..... '

Why was Oswestry fat lambs nearly 20p less than other markets in the country today?