Beef / Lamb & Pig Price Tracker

[Anymulewilldo]

What’s he do ?

Investments. Tells you all you need too know about him.

 

[Jimmywick]

About eighteen, I would t bother if I was you. Hard work as a rule I shan’t be be rushing into any more

Buy a parthenais love them

 

[yellowbelly]

@Hilly @gone up the hill @yellowbelly
As you are opposed to meat imports on environmental grounds, are you also opposed to meat exports? Where would the price of skins, bones and offals be without China?

I've got nowt against free trade per se, if somebody wants to buy our surplus then let 'em have it. But what's the sense in carting meat 12,000 miles from NZ when we've plenty of our own here. It's just big business trying to manipulate markets.
More especially as we seem to be under pressure from everybody and his brother to reduce our emissions. I don't care how cheap it is to move stuff about on a boat - it's a cost to the planet (which seems to be all important nowadays) that we could do without.

 

[JSmith]

Investments. Tells you all you need too know about him.

Doesn’t sound like he’s made many good ones!! Have you not told him about blackie lambs??

 

[Anymulewilldo]

Doesn’t sound like he’s made many good ones!! Have you not told him about blackie lambs??

I wouldn’t tell him if his house was on fire… let him keep laughing at me. One day I will get even

 

[JSmith]

I wouldn’t tell him if his house was on fire… let him keep laughing at me. One day I will get even

Tell him to get feckd

 

[Hilly]

More especially as we seem to be under pressure from everybody and his brother to reduce our emissions. I don't care how cheap it is to move stuff about on a boat - it's a cost to the planet (which seems to be all important nowadays) that we could do without.

Totally agree . I read their is enough oil for hundred years yet , if they screw the nut they could stretch it to 300 cutting out unnecessary haulage .

 

[Jimdog1]

That's just supposition on your part, and a very long way from reality. Tesco offer a contract with forward pricing, based loosely on COP+ each year. If you don't like it, you don't have to sign up, or you don't have to commit any more lamb than you want to. They are the only one that looks at costing I think.

As far as I'm aware, the other supermarket contracts generally offer a premium over the sqq price, not based on any one abattoir, but the openly published sqq. That sets their base, normally with bonuses and penalties around that like a standard grid.

They pay a premium over the market price so that they have security of supply, and set hoops for folk to jump through in order to give them a point of difference so that they can claim their product is better than the opposition's. That might be Sainsbury's claiming their premium range has a low Carbon footprint, or Waitrose wanting their producers to breed lambs by high imf rams to claim a better eating quality.

Supposition yes, but I have had an insight from other supermarkets and other species and my experience is that the supermarket likes to hold all the cards. I wonder if their cop+ model could keep up with lamb at £6.35ppk? Forward pricing/ cop+/price trackers all fine. They may take volatility out of your budgeting and maybe if you are lucky they may shield from extreme low prices but they all seek to put the market place firmly in their hands. And on a year like last year and hopefully this when we can make a decent profit you will lose out.

 

[neilo]

Supposition yes, but I have had an insight from other supermarkets and other species and my experience is that the supermarket likes to hold all the cards. I wonder if their cop+ model could keep up with lamb at £6.35ppk? Forward pricing/ cop+/price trackers all fine. They may take volatility out of your budgeting and maybe if you are lucky they may shield from extreme low prices but they all seek to put the market place firmly in their hands. And on a year like last year and hopefully this when we can make a decent profit you will lose out.

Did you not see my comment about the majority of their suppliers not supplying them this year and being suspended? So no, their current format hasn’t kept up with market prices as they have made a balls up of it, so most of their suppliers have put two fingers up.

The principle is a good one, but their implementation of it hasn’t been great imo. I know I’m not alone in thinking that. I don’t suppose I’ll get sight of next year’s contract anyway, even though they assure everyone there will be one…

 

[gone up the hill]

@Hilly @gone up the hill @yellowbelly
As you are opposed to meat imports on environmental grounds, are you also opposed to meat exports? Where would the price of skins, bones and offals be without China?

All meat imports MUST be produced to UK standards and that includes carbon footprints of both the farming and haulage to the UK !! if it is then fine to be imported but if not and not farm assured to UK farm assurance standards it should be banned

Lamb from NZ certainly is not produced to our standards for starters ( they castrate/tail their lambs when they wean them for example which at that age is illegal in the UK )

Take beef from USA ( okay they do not import that much beef currently ) they cannot even trace the cattle in the feed lots to the state they were born in let alone the farm/ cow and as for the meds they are allowed to use to improve growth rates and which said meds are banned in the UK is another example )

There is a report on here somewhere of a visit to the USA back just before pre covid by Irish beef farmers and what they found makes shocking reading!

 

[gone up the hill]

As for supermarket COP contracts.

Look at the pig job currently....

73 weaners ( may have been 93 cannot recall which ) only averaged £9 head...

 

[Jimdog1]

Did you not see my comment about the majority of their suppliers not supplying them this year and being suspended? So no, their current format hasn’t kept up with market prices as they have made a balls up of it, so most of their suppliers have put two fingers up.

The principle is a good one, but their implementation of it hasn’t been great imo. I know I’m not alone in thinking that. I don’t suppose I’ll get sight of next year’s contract anyway, even though they assure everyone there will be one…

In the crap years they will give you barely enough and expect you to be grateful - in years like this they will give you nowhere near enough and you walk.

 

[neilo]

Supposition yes, but I have had an insight from other supermarkets and other species and my experience is that the supermarket likes to hold all the cards. I wonder if their cop+ model could keep up with lamb at £6.35ppk? Forward pricing/ cop+/price trackers all fine. They may take volatility out of your budgeting and maybe if you are lucky they may shield from extreme low prices but they all seek to put the market place firmly in their hands. And on a year like last year and hopefully this when we can make a decent profit you will lose out.

I should maybe point out that, before I signed up, I searched back over various threads on here regarding the Tesco COP contract.
I found numerous postings by @gone up the hill (particularly) making just the suppositions that you did, whilst clearly having absolutely no idea of the mechanisms of that contract.
Having already seen the contract at that point, and having spoken to quite a few folk already on it, I pee’d myself laughing at those comments.

 

[neilo]

As for supermarket COP contracts.

Look at the pig job currently....

73 weaners ( may have been 93 cannot recall which ) only averaged £9 head...

Was that the ones sold in a market? So the ones not produced on a supermarket contract?

 

[gone up the hill]

I should maybe point out that, before I signed up, I searched back over various threads on here regarding the Tesco COP contract.
I found numerous postings by @gone up the hill (particularly) making just the suppositions that you did, whilst clearly having absolutely no idea of the mechanisms of that contract.
Having already seen the contract at that point, and having spoken to quite a few folk already on it, I pee’d myself laughing at those comments.

If you are daft enough to sign a supermarket cop contract then more fool you....

 

[Hilly]

Did you not see my comment about the majority of their suppliers not supplying them this year and being suspended? So no, their current format hasn’t kept up with market prices as they have made a balls up of it, so most of their suppliers have put two fingers up.

The principle is a good one, but their implementation of it hasn’t been great imo. I know I’m not alone in thinking that. I don’t suppose I’ll get sight of next year’s contract anyway, even though they assure everyone there will be one…

It’s not about the ins and outs of the detail or even which company , it’s about wrestling for control of the market , everyone who signs up is giving a little control away…. They do anything to control the market don’t give our control away .

 

[gone up the hill]

Was that the ones sold in a market? So the ones not produced on a supermarket contract?

Ones that cannot be sold under their contracts as the supermarkets have ripped up said contracts because it suited their bottom line to do so.

And the fact you think its funny neilo that the pig farmers are in such dire straights is utterly appalling!

 

[neilo]

All meat imports MUST be produced to UK standards and that includes carbon footprints of both the farming and haulage to the UK !! if it is then fine to be imported but if not and not farm assured to UK farm assurance standards it should be banned

Lamb from NZ certainly is not produced to our standards for starters ( they castrate/tail their lambs when they wean them for example which at that age is illegal in the UK )

Take beef from USA ( okay they do not import that much beef currently ) they cannot even trace the cattle in the feed lots to the state they were born in let alone the farm/ cow and as for the meds they are allowed to use to improve growth rates and which said meds are banned in the UK is another example )

There is a report on here somewhere of a visit to the USA back just before pre covid by Irish beef farmers and what they found makes shocking reading!

If my memory serves me right, you were another that advocated voting for the present government, the one that voted down the amendment that would require imports to meet our production standards?

 

[Hilly]

I should maybe point out that, before I signed up, I searched back over various threads on here regarding the Tesco COP contract.
I found numerous postings by @gone up the hill (particularly) making just the suppositions that you did, whilst clearly having absolutely no idea of the mechanisms of that contract.
Having already seen the contract at that point, and having spoken to quite a few folk already on it, I pee’d myself laughing at those comments.

Was that the ones sold in a market? So the ones not produced on a supermarket contract?

Pigs traded out with contract because they have got full control on the market .

 

[neilo]

And the fact you think its funny neilo that the pig farmers are in such dire straights is utterly appalling!

Go on then. Show me where I have made light of the current plight of pig farmers.