Beef / Lamb & Pig Price Tracker

[Woolless]

If you had a fixed price contract it would be set at a lot lower price than the returns for liveweight have been the last 2 months.

If it was a COP contract like milk it would have averaged about £75 head...

When lambs were making £95/ £100 + for 3/4 weeks it would be galling to sell them for that!

This is true but price volatility in the lamb trade seems to be getting worse.

 

[gone up the hill]

This is true but price volatility in the lamb trade seems to be getting worse.

No different than previous years really.

 

[aangus]

I have sold live in carlisle and longtown and by far dead weight this season for me has paid pounds more and this was for good texel/beltex lambs, but I only started to sell 4 weeks ago.

 

[jendan]

I have sold live in carlisle and longtown and by far dead weight this season for me has paid pounds more and this was for good texel/beltex lambs, but I only started to sell 4 weeks ago.

The trouble is ,is if everyone sold deadweight,the price would be on the floor for everyone.They just base their prices on marts live prices.Its why Dunbia have a buyer at nearly every live mart,but very often buy none at all.Or if they do,they are always a steal/very cheap.

 

[jendan]

Longtown has averaged 197.2p for lambs today

I told you to get them to Longtown

 

[Northeastfarmer]

The trouble is ,is if everyone sold deadweight,the price would be on the floor for everyone.They just base their prices on marts live prices.Its why Dunbia have a buyer at nearly every live mart,but very often buy none at all.Or if they do,they are always a steal/very cheap.

Dunbia take a lot out of our mart

 

[jendan]

Dunbia take a lot out of our mart

Whos the buyer,Haig Murray? I bet they are cheap on the day,or under the marts average for that day.

 

[Northeastfarmer]

Whos the buyer,Haig Murray? I bet they are cheap on the day,or under the marts average for that day.

Watto...they mainly buy mules/ blackies and the plainer end, that's why their average will be lower

 

[muleman]

Watto...they mainly buy mules/ blackies and the plainer end, that's why their average will be lower

they are a good firm for mules,they never bid quite as much but they kill out a kilo heavier there so end up as good,if not better.

 

[Sheeponfire]

live or dead.. I have been pleased and not pleased! on both systems at various times......

Cant help thinking going all DW would shift the balance of power in the supply chain to the processor...

all sides in the supply chain must get "A decent kick of the ball"

 

[Northeastfarmer]

The worrying thing the amount of firms left to handle stock...ones going t!ts up and when dawn take dunbia over they're going to be some buying unit

 

[muleman]

live or dead.. I have been pleased and not pleased! on both systems at various times......

Cant help thinking going all DW would shift the balance of power in the supply chain to the processor...

all sides in the supply chain must get "A decent kick of the ball"

As i told them today when i dropped lambs at collection centre...."i do a bit of both". I was told most people do,its good to have options

 

[Nithsdale]

The trouble is ,is if everyone sold deadweight,the price would be on the floor for everyone.They just base their prices on marts live prices.Its why Dunbia have a buyer at nearly every live mart,but very often buy none at all.Or if they do,they are always a steal/very cheap.

But dead give you a price for the week ahead...


Then the buyers in the livering figure a price they can pay to... leaving a little in their pocket for turning the lambs over

 

[Sheeponfire]

But dead give you a price for the week ahead...


Then the buyers in the livering figure a price they can pay to... leaving a little in their pocket for turning the lambs over

So are we saying the live ring is not important in setting the price???

I for one have no problem in suggesting to the dw man where I think the price needs to be in order to get our stock...

 

[jendan]

But dead give you a price for the week ahead...


Then the buyers in the livering figure a price they can pay to... leaving a little in their pocket for turning the lambs over

I think it works the other way round.If everything was sold dead,we would be stuffed.If everything was sold live,we would still manage.I dont begrudge the buyers a couple of quid if they make for a decent trade.Their haulage will be half that.

 

[ford4000]

I nearly always sell live in StAsaph , but after seeing the market reports this week, like Oswestry was £1.79kg, I booked 80 in with Dunbia at £4.30/kg which seemed much better....lambs in St Asaph today then averaged £2/kg!!!
Prices all over the place!

 

[Nithsdale]

So are we saying the live ring is not important in setting the price???

I for one have no problem in suggesting to the dw man where I think the price needs to be in order to get our stock...

I wouldn't shut down either way of selling. But all live lambs end up dead... it's no real coincidence.

And before it's said, when live sales were shut down - so was all exports. We flooded our domestic market and that's why trade was poor

 

[Sheeponfire]

I wouldn't shut down either way of selling. But all live lambs end up dead... it's no real coincidence.

And before it's said, when live sales were shut down - so was all exports. We flooded our domestic market and that's why trade was poor

I dont disagree with you ..... (if my memory is right , yer a dandy!)

there aint no right or wrong in both selling methods....

breed the right carcass/product and ye shall "find straight trade" be it live or dead..

In addition... I get a bigger kick outta selling lambs live .. than dropping off at factory lairage!!!

life way too short not to have a bit o fun in the job..

 

[gone up the hill]

But dead give you a price for the week ahead...


Then the buyers in the livering figure a price they can pay to... leaving a little in their pocket for turning the lambs over

Dead do NOT give you the price for the week ahead as you are quoted a price say tomorrow night for next week but if markets go UP on Monday/ Tues then by Wens/ Thurs the deadweight price goes up and vice versa if the markets are worse on the Monday than expected!

Both the above have happened in the last three weeks with more than one killing company!

Liveweight sets the trade for deadweight ( be that good or bad )

 

[canam1]

Just think back to foot and mouth time slaughter houses could have finished markets off then but all they did was shaft the farmer. With 2 weeks of live markets opening up again lamb prices doubled.