ollie989898
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Oh it could be done. You look what food prices did for the Arab spring mind. Hungry people are angry people. People with nothing to lose. The Western populace hasn't known hunger.
Big changes ahead then
- Thread starter Kevtherev
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Oh it could be done. You look what food prices did for the Arab spring mind. Hungry people are angry people. People with nothing to lose. The Western populace hasn't known hunger.
- Location
- Lincolnshire
Pork and chicken are foods of the masses. Whilst it’s all very well to move towards slow grown grass based ruminants, if it leaves 3 million people unable to afford meat then there will be very serious consequences. Eco arguments won’t wash with a hungry mob.
I regard it as a national disaster that our fertiliser plants have closed or are on life support yet the government seem oblivious to the dangers that lay ahead. I hope these clowns soon get a grip and realise they should hold off any more damaging changes to a supply chain that is already perilously close to the brink due to Brexit and Covid. The very last thing we need is yet more damaging political intervention.
I regard it as a national disaster that our fertiliser plants have closed or are on life support yet the government seem oblivious to the dangers that lay ahead. I hope these clowns soon get a grip and realise they should hold off any more damaging changes to a supply chain that is already perilously close to the brink due to Brexit and Covid. The very last thing we need is yet more damaging political intervention.
- Location
- Devon
It's not really a huge problem though, we can just switch to rapemeal, a byproduct from all the OSR being processed. Oh hang on, HMG have massively reduced OSR cropping by banning neonics to appease public opinion.
No problem then, we'll just use palm kernal instead, no problems with that at all...
Will Tofu, Quorn, etc be outlawed as a result, seeing as livestock only get to eat the waste products from human food production? Every cloud.
This is a table for Quorn production.
All the information is deliberately oblique to avoid giving away too many home truths but it seems like the factory produces about 348kg's of CO2 per ton of Quorn. I doubt that allows for the soy and palm oil that's used.
bbc did a survey in Walsall , one question was , would you consider turning vegan , the old woman said , I'm not giving my , fags up for anyone , there you go ...
- Location
- Lincolnshire
Unfortunately we are where we are with pigs and poultry. We could return to a time when layers laid a few eggs when they felt like it and a chicken was a luxury for Sunday dinner but in the meantime how do you feed the masses affordably and with a big enough supply? I think eventually something like lupins could fill the gap. Beans presently have too much tanin.
And let’s not forget the farmers who are growing the soya. They aren’t all burning down rain forest and what are they supposed to do if there land is planted with trees? How will they feed their families? Can’t see some of the governments out there being too big on welfare payments.
No, I think we are in danger of sacrificing a bona fide industry on the altar of Sunday Supplement environmentalism. And as much as I want a reasonable return for my efforts as a British farmer, I don’t it to come at the expense of ever more hardship for the poorest.
4course
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- Location
- north yorks
and they do, mrs 4 course and I called at a chain eating pub last night special was a couple of rump steaks and a bottle of plonk every table was on the special as far as I could see apart from the couple of gals holding hands !!! on the pasta ,mindst they were the thinnest and pasty faced couple in the place ( not even spray tan) it would be doubtful if they were producing future eaters of any persuasion ,
que sera sera
ollie989898
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You're a farmer- it's not your job to feed the masses or take on a burden the same size as society. Farmers merely do what the market obliges them to do. At the end of the day you could feed every last child in Britain single-handedly but it won't put a shirt on your back.
M-J-G
Member
I'm not convinced that a beast hanging about the place for 30 months makes sense.
Personally I don't like keeping fattening cattle for a second winter.
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- Location
- Lincolnshire
Well precisely. A lot of the present arguments wash over the masses so it’s up to the leadership to do right thing, and number one priority is adequate affordable food supply. If we fail in this respect then the first the masses will know about it is empty shelves. They won’t want to know about academic arguments, they will want to know who is to blame and they can be quite unforgiving.
I really think the time for political idealism is over and we need to be looking at security of many different supplies. If supplies fail then it will make a 1.5 deg temperature rise look like a fairly minor problem. That’s not saying we should ignore climate change, but we need to get our priorities right.
The next big problem is full application of customs rules from Jan 22. Personally I’d be preparing for that rather than worrying too much about carbon dioxide. I could see it paralysing the country particular with help from our “friends” on the continent.
M-J-G
Member
It's looking like food will be scarce, I'm not bothered about soya being limited if it means that non meat eating humans need to look at alternatives.
- Location
- Lincolnshire
Careful now. Your harping back to things like efficient farming, cost effective methods. That’ll get you nowhere nowadays. We should all be buying 8 year old grass fed mutton hung for 40 days over and oak smoke fire.
- Location
- Near Colchester
People forget that Hi pro is a by product of the soya oil business which is much more important.
More effective than U boats?
Hindsight
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- Location
- Lincolnshire
Nicely opens the door for imported Chicken. Simples.
ollie989898
Member
Steevo
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- Location
- Gloucestershire
Fed on soya!
- Location
- Devon
No problem, lets do what Quorn do.
They don't use Soya. They use edamame beans.
[Edamame is a preparation of immature soybeans in the pod]
They don't use Soya. They use edamame beans.
[Edamame is a preparation of immature soybeans in the pod]
Chae1
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- Location
- Aberdeenshire
Will be feeding insects for protein soon.
Hindsight
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- Location
- Lincolnshire
Well exactly USA chicken fed on Soya from Illinois. Cargill are on the case already. And excellent for securing trade deals and false accounting with regard to UK greenhouse gas production. Simples.