Biostimulants

Chae1

Member
Location
Aberdeenshire
What are people's views/experiences of using biostimulants as a replacement for fungicides? Particularly Scyon.

I questioned the inclusion of it from agronomist today and said it would replace ctl.
 

Chae1

Member
Location
Aberdeenshire
I did ask him if it was snake oil. He said he would provide trials data to prove it served a purpose.

I didn't have to use it. Could easily have returned it.
 

Brisel

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
North Yorkshire
What are people's views/experiences of using biostimulants as a replacement for fungicides? Particularly Scyon.

I questioned the inclusion of it from agronomist today and said it would replace ctl.
No, it won't replace fungicides. There is some yield response to some biostimulants in a very low input programme.

I'd be having a short conversation with that agronomist along the lines of "stop fecking around or feck off." The sooner that these snake oils come under heavier regulation the better in my opinion. It's a high distributor profit margin unproven way of farming.
 

teslacoils

Member
Location
Lincolnshire
I stupidly didn't ask. I've only 50 acres of winter barley so it's not going to break the bank. Will post it here when invoice comes in.
Every little helps.....them hit their sales & profit targets.

As with all these things, unless they tell you what's in it rather than just "unique" or "proprietary" then send back.

I can make you a unique proprietary blend of nutrients featuring rapid sugars, plant extracts and high calcium and potassium boosters......it's called a cup of tea. It's proprietary because of the unique way I stir it and leave the bag in.
 

CJS

Member
Out of interest, how much did it cost ??

Think someone told me it was £6 ha Assume it is Hutchinson’s exclusive If I had a CTL replacement for £6 ha I would have made sure everyone new about it There lack of publicity for the product tells you all you need to know There was an article about it in crop protection magazine last year I think
 

teslacoils

Member
Location
Lincolnshire
Think someone told me it was £6 ha Assume it is Hutchinson’s exclusive If I had a CTL replacement for £6 ha I would have made sure everyone new about it There lack of publicity for the product tells you all you need to know There was an article about it in crop protection magazine last year I think
Bloody hell. Even if it's a litre per hectare I'm in the wrong business. I'd be asking for it to be credited as a freebie, or giving the chap his marching orders. I'd hazard a guess the distributer and producer will each be making a big, big margin on it.

Can't decide if I'd like this stuff regulating better, or just for us all to get a bit wiser before we dump it in the tank thinking it's only £20 or whatever.
 

T Hectares

Member
Location
Berkshire
Bloody hell. Even if it's a litre per hectare I'm in the wrong business. I'd be asking for it to be credited as a freebie, or giving the chap his marching orders. I'd hazard a guess the distributer and producer will each be making a big, big margin on it.

Can't decide if I'd like this stuff regulating better, or just for us all to get a bit wiser before we dump it in the tank thinking it's only £20 or whatever.
It’s situations like this where I value my NIAB TAG membership, the subscription has paid for its self many times over by giving me an independent view on such products
And stopping the “well it’s only a few quid, can’t do any harm” mentality that can see £££’s drip through your fingers for no results
A full AminoA programme buys a lot of fungicide, proven trialled fungicide that is...
 

Chae1

Member
Location
Aberdeenshire
I think adding Mn did a great a job on Septoria last year, in a mix with Ascra that is...

Sorry @Chae1 not poking fun but these products are a wet dream for distributors !!

£6/ha slipped in twice a year x their acreage pays for the bubbly at the Xmas party

I don't mind anyone poking fun at me. Just don't want my agronomist getting a hard time!.That's my job!

As I said it's my choice what I put in tank, I can and have left stuff out in the past.

Just a bit suspicious about this stuff and interested in the collectives opinion on it.
 

CJS

Member
I don't mind anyone poking fun at me. Just don't want my agronomist getting a hard time!.That's my job!

As I said it's my choice what I put in tank, I can and have left stuff out in the past.

Just a bit suspicious about this stuff and interested in the collectives opinion on it.
Surely the manufacturer looks at posts about these kinds of products They could come and post their thoughts and any proven results Might even persuade a sinic to try some
 

teslacoils

Member
Location
Lincolnshire
Just a bit suspicious about this stuff and interested in the collectives opinion on it.
You are wise to be suspicious. Tbh you're agronomist is probably under pressure to get it out of the warehouse.

After last year, I'd expect a spring with reduced need for fungicides etc to be a complete pain for some firms.
 

Rejuvenating swards: Which option is best?

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Written by Brian McDonnell

Maintaining grass quality during mid-season grazing is important. Farmers can maintain quality by entering ideal grazing covers of 1,300 – 1,500kg DM/ha, and grazing down to a residual of 4cm every rotation.

If you are now in a situation where cows are not cleaning out paddocks as well as they should be, leading to the development of steamy grass within the sward, here are some options.

Common options for rejuvenating swards include:

  1. Take a silage cut, probably into bales, remove the material and start again with the aftermath...
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