Blast from the past-To cut and cart the Kale - 35

Owd Fred

Member
Location
Stafford
This was tale about what happened to my brother and I when I was 9 years old and my brother just over 6years . I was just old enough to work helping the then cowman Philip to load kale for the cows, a job he did every afternoon ready for the following days feeding.

Philip had a tremendous scramble to get us out, I know I was first out and standing by on my own in a daze, and after a short while my younger brother Robert emerged all muddy an shaken.

In winter time father grew Kale to be used up to the turn of the year, after that the cows went onto mangels that were kept safe in a covered hog to protect them from the frost.
The kale was Marrow Stem and drilled early April it would grow up to six foot high, as the name suggests over half the feed was in the centre of the stem, the marrow.

This was cut by hand and loaded in the afternoon by the cowman onto a flat four wheeled dray pulled by one of fathers shire horses, then thrown out onto a grass field near to the sheds for the cows to go out for exercise the following morning and brows their ration of kale.
Cows in them days were all tied in stalls and only went out once a day in winter, so the sheds could be cleaned out and bedded up properly.

Some days we would go with the cowman Philip and ride back on top of the load of kale, he was only a young chap in his twenties, and a bit of a reckless driver (of the horse), like turning the horse and the front turntable of the dray quarter turn and the horse would snatch to get the load moving, on this one occasion tipping the load onto its side.

That would not have been too disastrous only my brother and I were buried under the load. I believe Philip had a tremendous scramble to get us out, I know I was first out and standing by on my own in a daze, and after a short while my brother emerged all muddy an shaken. On the way home we were sworn to secrecy on what had happened not to tell our father ( the old chap as Philip called him) or he might have got cussed in no uncertain terms. The secret was kept and Philip kept his job for another twenty years.


To Cut and Cart the Kale

We used to go with cowman Philip, to cut and put out the kale,
This was done with horse and flat dray, come sun or snow or hail,
Half and hour to chop the stems, and fell them in a row,
Then load them up, stems to the middle, cold its' down to zero.

Old Flower she turns and pulls, hard as she goes to the gate,
Through muddy ruts we had to walk, for a ride we had to wait,
We were not very big and had to be lifted up on top of the load,
Down hill now all the way home, a half a mile on the road.

Into the turf close to the farm, throw the stems off in the field,
Cows to eat the following day, and hope to improve their yield,
Winter feeding of the dairy herd, a never ending job,
Nice to get into warm cowsheds, cows in their bedding flop.

On this one day when we were with him, loading up the kale,
Turned old Flower, tipped the load, such a sorry tale,
Slid the load of Kale off, all over me and my brother,
Philip dug fast to find us, as under the load we'd smother,

We were OK a little dazed, soon came round and recovered,
Squared the horse and wagon, to load up again we staggered,
On the way home Philip asked us, not to tell the old chap,
Father never knew why, we were covered in mud in a mishap.

Owd Fred​

On the way up to the kale field with Philip he stopped ( he may have stopped before when he was on his own ) under an overhanging nut bush, he pulled old Flower the shire well over onto the grass verge and well up under the hedge and stopped well under the thick of a good crop of hazel nuts.

He had the long cutting hook that he cut the kale with, and pulled down those nuts that would otherwise be out of reach, we were already standing on the wagon. As kids this was exiting as we filled our pockets and Philip cracked some for us to eat. Then a loud voice came from the big house across the grassy orchard, "oooyyyy what are you up to", they had seen the bushes swaying about and came out to investigate.

We all went flat on the wagon and flapped the reigns on old Flowers back and we were off. They knew who it was and what we were up to, and as no damage had been done nothing was ever said. But they never realised how many nuts we had got.


I Remember Philip Boulton.

At the Beeches we had a cowman, his name was Philip Boulton,
He liked his beer at weekend , was at the pub quite often,
Lived in a cottage by the shop, front door opened from the pavement,
It had low doors and ceilings, and dormer window casements.

Only a young chap just got married, and never learned to drive,
Went everywhere on his bike, except the pub till he'd revive,
The bike it had low handle bars, and a dynamo driven headlight,
A sad a crumpled saddle bag, nothing in it to excite.

He always wore a bib and brace overall, and a singlet vest,
Even in the winter time, when working bared his chest,
Wellingtons or wellies, with turned down tops so short,
Even in the summer time, no working boots to sport.

A round faced man, hair combed flat back,
Receding over each temple, and he never wore a hat,
What few teeth he had, dentist ventualy pulled the lot,
And a full set of dentures fitted, no more for him the rot.

He looked after all the cows, fed and milked them all,
In the winter had some help cleaning out the stalls,
Often us lads would carry milk, to the dairy there to cool,
Filling up the churns for transport, before and after school.

He'd harness up the horse, on afternoons in winter,
Cut and load kale onto the wagon, he was quite a sprinter,
Throw it out around the field, next day for the cows,
They're turned out for exercise, and the kale to browse.

For many years he stayed with us, until he saw more money,
A factory job and no weekend, he left in such a hurry,
His cottage was never used again, pulled down to pile of rubble,
Bungalow built on the site, back off the pavement out of trouble

Owd Fred

Being a drinking man he (Philip) frequented the Holly Bush pub two or three evenings a week only just up the road. When, as kids we occasionally called at his cottage, we would be offered a cup of tea, but not cups as we were used to, these were pint sized, he had nothing smaller.

There was a little cast iron stove with the huge kettle boiling hanging from a hook on the chimney crane, his toasting fork that he or his wife would poke or re-arrange the logs on the fire, and a square table in the middle of the small room covered with a colourful piece of worn oilcloth. Each side of the fire was what passed for two arm chairs, any one else had to sit on the old wooden kitchen chairs. In front of the fire for the kids to sit on was the peg rug made out of strips of cloth from worm out clothing.

I think the house had been built before the roadside pavement had been established because from his front door you stepped down a step into the house, the door opened directly onto the pavement. The doors could not have been much more than five foot six and inside the beams in the living room come kitchen no more the six foot.

I suppose in them day's people were not so tall, or maybe it was the estate thought they would save bricks by only building a cottage with very low rooms. As I remember it , it was the only cottage that had round edge (feather edged) tiles on the roof, quite fancy for a farm cottage, and what's the betting that the tiles had come off another larger house that had perhaps been demolished to replace it's original thatched roof. Who knows?


Remember, people will judge you by your actions, not your intentions. You may have a heart of gold - but so does a hard boiled egg.

Unknown
 

Owd Fred

Member
Location
Stafford
I expect the kale carting incident happened around autumn/winter 1945, it was 1947 when we had very deep and drifted snow, all the farm workmen in the village formed a gang and dug the way out in order to let the milk churn lorry in
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This was outside our farm The Beeches the drifts not too bad there but round the corner was six foot drifts for almost a mile. That's me on the right in short trousers and big wellies age 9, the wives and kids brought out some jugs of tea, the nearest chap George who was cowman at Village farm got his jacket off and sleeves rolled up, and the sun was out by the look of the shadows
 

Flasheart

Member
Location
N.Suffolk
I cut marrow stem kale by hand in 1972, when I left school. A gang of 3 , me and 2 old boys nearing retirement. Loaded on to a flat bed trailer by hand and chucked off in the same way on grazing paddocks.

A bloody miserable job, icey water from 6ft high kale soaked us all to the skin day after day.
 
I cut marrow stem kale by hand in 1972, when I left school. A gang of 3 , me and 2 old boys nearing retirement. Loaded on to a flat bed trailer by hand and chucked off in the same way on grazing paddocks.

A bloody miserable job, icey water from 6ft high kale soaked us all to the skin day after day.

Aye, them were the good old days we always here about.
 
Location
southwest
My father used to grow maincrop turnips (no not stubble turnips, and not swedes either) which had to be pulled every day and put in each manger in the shippon ready for when the cows came in for afternoon milking (then then stayed in all night) It was a horrible wet job like someone said about cutting kale.

So that we didn't need to pull turnips on Xmas and Boxing Day, I used to spend most of the week leading up to Xmas pulling the bloody things!

That apprentice who's always late (thread on Dairy) doesn't know what an easy life he's got!
 

Owd Fred

Member
Location
Stafford
I cut marrow stem kale by hand in 1972, when I left school. A gang of 3 , me and 2 old boys nearing retirement. Loaded on to a flat bed trailer by hand and chucked off in the same way on grazing paddocks.

A bloody miserable job, icey water from 6ft high kale soaked us all to the skin day after day.

To cut kale we always used what was then called a banking hook, a two foot six hook almost like a question mark with a handle on it, it was made for cutting grassy hedge banks before the hedge was cut with brushing hooks.
Brushing hooks were two handed job and no good for cutting kale, the banking hook one handed to chop the other to the stem of the kale to lay it straight in pile where you could easy pick up again three or four stems at a time to load.
To grip the stem was okay but as soon as you chopped the stem you got drenched, be it just from rain or more often ice and snow. Them days you always remembered
 

chaffcutter

Moderator
Arable Farmer
Location
S. Staffs
Yet another great post @owdfred, once again ‘been there, done that’!

I used to hate cutting kale, always ended up frozen and wet. It would be late 50s early 60s when I was involved. It was replaced here by sugar beet pulp which we used to soak, and put out into the mangers for the cows to come back into after we had mucked out and washed down.
 

David.

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
J11 M40
I can remember as a kid going up the field to cut the kale with a slashing hook, cut a row, and then moving the electric fence up to the fresh kale, and the cows grazing it under the wire.
Ony used to load it on a trailer until sufficient ground was cleared to give the cows room to stand and graze.
I also remember the cloying mud in the gateways, and losing my wellingtons when going to turn off the fence and shut the gate to keep the cows out at night.
I suspect that half the time, the energy gained from the kale did not outweigh the energy expended walking to it and grazing it in the cold of winter.
I remember the acetone smell in the milk sometimes when the cows were on the kale, and I remember the frosty kale belch smell that pervaded the cow-house at milking time.
Back in about 1981, we built a covered yard and silage clamp much against my Gramps instincts, and went onto self feed silage and shut the cows in all winter. I remember to this day him coming in the kitchen with what would have been his equivalent of todays spread sheets, proving his case in fine detail, how much money we were losing forgoing the cuckoo barley that followed the kale, the land "lost" to corn that was seeded down to cutting leys, the money wasted on the required 3 bags per acre of Extra Grass 29-5-5; and the dire predictions that we were set on a course for the workhouse.
Happy days.
 

milkloss

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
East Sussex
This was tale about what happened to my brother and I when I was 9 years old and my brother just over 6years . I was just old enough to work helping the then cowman Philip to load kale for the cows, a job he did every afternoon ready for the following days feeding.

Philip had a tremendous scramble to get us out, I know I was first out and standing by on my own in a daze, and after a short while my younger brother Robert emerged all muddy an shaken.

In winter time father grew Kale to be used up to the turn of the year, after that the cows went onto mangels that were kept safe in a covered hog to protect them from the frost.
The kale was Marrow Stem and drilled early April it would grow up to six foot high, as the name suggests over half the feed was in the centre of the stem, the marrow.

This was cut by hand and loaded in the afternoon by the cowman onto a flat four wheeled dray pulled by one of fathers shire horses, then thrown out onto a grass field near to the sheds for the cows to go out for exercise the following morning and brows their ration of kale.
Cows in them days were all tied in stalls and only went out once a day in winter, so the sheds could be cleaned out and bedded up properly.

Some days we would go with the cowman Philip and ride back on top of the load of kale, he was only a young chap in his twenties, and a bit of a reckless driver (of the horse), like turning the horse and the front turntable of the dray quarter turn and the horse would snatch to get the load moving, on this one occasion tipping the load onto its side.

That would not have been too disastrous only my brother and I were buried under the load. I believe Philip had a tremendous scramble to get us out, I know I was first out and standing by on my own in a daze, and after a short while my brother emerged all muddy an shaken. On the way home we were sworn to secrecy on what had happened not to tell our father ( the old chap as Philip called him) or he might have got cussed in no uncertain terms. The secret was kept and Philip kept his job for another twenty years.


To Cut and Cart the Kale

We used to go with cowman Philip, to cut and put out the kale,
This was done with horse and flat dray, come sun or snow or hail,
Half and hour to chop the stems, and fell them in a row,
Then load them up, stems to the middle, cold its' down to zero.

Old Flower she turns and pulls, hard as she goes to the gate,
Through muddy ruts we had to walk, for a ride we had to wait,
We were not very big and had to be lifted up on top of the load,
Down hill now all the way home, a half a mile on the road.

Into the turf close to the farm, throw the stems off in the field,
Cows to eat the following day, and hope to improve their yield,
Winter feeding of the dairy herd, a never ending job,
Nice to get into warm cowsheds, cows in their bedding flop.

On this one day when we were with him, loading up the kale,
Turned old Flower, tipped the load, such a sorry tale,
Slid the load of Kale off, all over me and my brother,
Philip dug fast to find us, as under the load we'd smother,

We were OK a little dazed, soon came round and recovered,
Squared the horse and wagon, to load up again we staggered,
On the way home Philip asked us, not to tell the old chap,
Father never knew why, we were covered in mud in a mishap.

Owd Fred​

On the way up to the kale field with Philip he stopped ( he may have stopped before when he was on his own ) under an overhanging nut bush, he pulled old Flower the shire well over onto the grass verge and well up under the hedge and stopped well under the thick of a good crop of hazel nuts.

He had the long cutting hook that he cut the kale with, and pulled down those nuts that would otherwise be out of reach, we were already standing on the wagon. As kids this was exiting as we filled our pockets and Philip cracked some for us to eat. Then a loud voice came from the big house across the grassy orchard, "oooyyyy what are you up to", they had seen the bushes swaying about and came out to investigate.

We all went flat on the wagon and flapped the reigns on old Flowers back and we were off. They knew who it was and what we were up to, and as no damage had been done nothing was ever said. But they never realised how many nuts we had got.


I Remember Philip Boulton.

At the Beeches we had a cowman, his name was Philip Boulton,
He liked his beer at weekend , was at the pub quite often,
Lived in a cottage by the shop, front door opened from the pavement,
It had low doors and ceilings, and dormer window casements.

Only a young chap just got married, and never learned to drive,
Went everywhere on his bike, except the pub till he'd revive,
The bike it had low handle bars, and a dynamo driven headlight,
A sad a crumpled saddle bag, nothing in it to excite.

He always wore a bib and brace overall, and a singlet vest,
Even in the winter time, when working bared his chest,
Wellingtons or wellies, with turned down tops so short,
Even in the summer time, no working boots to sport.

A round faced man, hair combed flat back,
Receding over each temple, and he never wore a hat,
What few teeth he had, dentist ventualy pulled the lot,
And a full set of dentures fitted, no more for him the rot.

He looked after all the cows, fed and milked them all,
In the winter had some help cleaning out the stalls,
Often us lads would carry milk, to the dairy there to cool,
Filling up the churns for transport, before and after school.

He'd harness up the horse, on afternoons in winter,
Cut and load kale onto the wagon, he was quite a sprinter,
Throw it out around the field, next day for the cows,
They're turned out for exercise, and the kale to browse.

For many years he stayed with us, until he saw more money,
A factory job and no weekend, he left in such a hurry,
His cottage was never used again, pulled down to pile of rubble,
Bungalow built on the site, back off the pavement out of trouble

Owd Fred

Being a drinking man he (Philip) frequented the Holly Bush pub two or three evenings a week only just up the road. When, as kids we occasionally called at his cottage, we would be offered a cup of tea, but not cups as we were used to, these were pint sized, he had nothing smaller.

There was a little cast iron stove with the huge kettle boiling hanging from a hook on the chimney crane, his toasting fork that he or his wife would poke or re-arrange the logs on the fire, and a square table in the middle of the small room covered with a colourful piece of worn oilcloth. Each side of the fire was what passed for two arm chairs, any one else had to sit on the old wooden kitchen chairs. In front of the fire for the kids to sit on was the peg rug made out of strips of cloth from worm out clothing.

I think the house had been built before the roadside pavement had been established because from his front door you stepped down a step into the house, the door opened directly onto the pavement. The doors could not have been much more than five foot six and inside the beams in the living room come kitchen no more the six foot.

I suppose in them day's people were not so tall, or maybe it was the estate thought they would save bricks by only building a cottage with very low rooms. As I remember it , it was the only cottage that had round edge (feather edged) tiles on the roof, quite fancy for a farm cottage, and what's the betting that the tiles had come off another larger house that had perhaps been demolished to replace it's original thatched roof. Who knows?


Remember, people will judge you by your actions, not your intentions. You may have a heart of gold - but so does a hard boiled egg.

Unknown

I like your posts Fred, they remind of the sort of story my father would tell.
 

Owd Fred

Member
Location
Stafford
Fred, after reading your interesting tales I'm going to buy one of your books off Amazon.co.uk for my farther in law. Is there any you recommend

The price you see is the price you pay £8.03 includes postage on Amazon, I don't know about the "second hand" ones. They print on demand and often print a few more than what they want, I think that is where they come from I believe.
As for which one to buy, they were printed and published as and when they were written and the stories completely random. I printed blogs off that I had put on Blogger some 275 or more of them, at that time my brother was interested in knowing what I had writ but had not got a computer, so I printed some off for him to read.
That led me to print and bind the sheets into booklet form, I soon found out how cheap printers were and how dear the printers ink was and where to get the best deal for ink cartridges.
First of all I stapled and folded them and stuck the newly folded books/booklets in a pile under a 56lds weight for a few days then guillotine them square to tidy them up.
That worked okay up till 50 pages and I wanted 200 pages to form a book, for which I made a clamp that gripped five 200 page books at a time, run some Bostic household general purpose glue along the cut edge and bingo I have a home made book. I printed and bound over 500 books this way , and found I was spending too much time making them and not writing and decided to put them on a self publishing web site and now sell them on line. I can tell which I printed as they did not have a bar code on the back.

All I can say is I sent more money to charity from the books I printed than ever I can from the books sold on Amazon (too many bloody middle men snapping after the money) but I enjoyed doing it and still print and bind odd ones for people personalised, where they or their relatives are mentioned in that book.

To answer your question, you need to buy all four them, hand them out one at a time, as and when the birthdee or xmas comes along, in the meantime you could read the lot.

Thanks for reading Owd Fred
 
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Bruce Almighty

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Warwickshire
I like your posts Fred, they remind of the sort of story my father would tell.

Same here, Mom & Dad both born & bred in villages near Lichfield.
Mom's Aunty Nell married a Mr Hall who was always known as "Owd Hall"

Me Dad gave up growing kale in the 60s, after a wet winter when they had to barrow it off the field.

It was a shock for Grandad when he left the light land of Whittington for Warwickshire clay in 1953
 

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