Blood on their hands?

[DeeGee]

SO WHAT ARE THE JOBS WITH HIGHEST SUICIDE RATES?​

1. Medical Doctors
2. Dentists
3. Police Officers
4. Veterinarians
5. Financial Services
6. Real Estate Agents
7. Electricians
8. Lawyers
9. Farmers
10. Pharmacists

From where did this list come?
Not doubting it, but provenance would be helpful to its credibility.

 

[thorpe]

It was a question not after odds?

you won't beat him! master of every subject on tff

 

[BrianV]

This stupid government have been encouraging farmers to borrow ever more to take advantage of a skewed grant system at just the time interest rates were rising fast , has there ever been such a stupid government in their dealing with UK agriculture because I can't think of one of either parties.

 

[thorpe]

This stupid government have been encouraging farmers to borrow ever more to take advantage of a skewed grant system at just the time interest rates were rising fast , has there ever been such a stupid government in their dealing with UK agriculture because I can't think of one of either parties.

my son's built a cattle handling system last year done mostly out of canceled order's , second's and S/H DONE FOR A FRACTION OF A GRANT AIDED quote's how proud of them i am!

 

[The Seeker]

Like the thread title? No, me neither but now I’ve got your attention, read on

I would like you to read the following extract from Jeremy Clarkson’s article in yesterday’s Sunday Times magazine….

”In my first year of farming I made a profit of £114. That will look like a dream result when I get the figures for this year.
Small wonder that I heard the other day of a young farmer who finished the harvest, dug a hole in the garden, climbed in and shot himself … it’s all right for me because I have Amazon in the background but for thousands of other farmers it’s not right: 2023 has been a disaster.”


Something is very wrong in the U.K. at the moment

I have had a bad year but this young lads tail is heartbreaking . My god it’s so upsetting.

 

[thorpe]

I have had a bad year but this young lads tail is heartbreaking . My god it’s so upsetting.

are you trying to have a laugh?

 

[The Seeker]

If it's all doom and gloom why do land prices keep rising, why are livestock prices at a record high and why is one of the major gripes from farmers is about the lengthy waiting list for new kit?

Because outside money needs a place to hide

 

[The Seeker]

are you trying to have a laugh?

How on earth do you think I’m having a laugh ? I read an article saying a young man finished harvest , dug a hole and shot himself …. What’s funny about that ?? It sound fricking horrific.

 

[thorpe]

How on earth do you think I’m having a laugh ? I read an article saying a young man finished harvest , dug a hole and shot himself …. What’s funny about that ?? It sound fricking horrific.

crossed wire's sorry , i hold my hand's up!

 

[The Seeker]

It’s ok, I can’t lie I’m very emotional at the moment. It’s so sad what uk ag has become. Everyone I know can see what is happening and what it means for uk but it seams no one ( in charge ) gives a f**k at all. As for the lad , I’m so sorry he felt he couldn’t talk to anyone , fu cking farming is so hard now , everyone thinks it’s pony club and cream cake but it’s just a massive car crash propped up by development cash and roll over… so sad

 

[lloyd]

If it's all doom and gloom why do land prices keep rising, why are livestock prices at a record high and why is one of the major gripes from farmers is about the lengthy waiting list for new kit?

But are land prices rising?
Two blocks of grade 2 arable land in Herefordshire 30
miles apart seem to have missed their guide prices by
some distance.

 

[devonbeef]

It's because being a vet is actually quite a lonely profession. There are all of the pressures (plus having to make a profit) with nothing like the peer networking there is in medicine.

Dentistry is another potentially quite lonely profession- in the USA, I understand that dental assistants receive training to be able to detect potential suicide risk in their colleagues.

I think farming is an elevated risk because of the pressure and again there is a complete lack of peer support network. I get routine peer support briefings basically annually. Wellbeing is a big focus in virtually every organisation I flow through.

pressure has certainly taken a step up on the smaller livestock farmers around here with bps being cut , there is a lot of talk on sfi thread about farmers mainly arable finding ways to make it work, but those on smaller acreages and rent or part rented have to keep up productivity if they are to keep the farms earning potential through farm at a level to make it leave a income, Everything has to be done right,there is so little slack, I can not afford to take bits out here a there for this a that on the sfi for very little. Having now to do very detailed costings on every aspect on my business because there is not the room to spend to much on the wrong thing or make mistakes. I can not see how the heck anybody renting all or most of their ground is going (beef and sheep )to survive , and as many are renting i think there is a lot of change coming very soon ahead. This higher beef price we are seeing at the moment is needed to stay and grow from that price if i personally stand a chance of making it work here, if it drops and cost s don,t i will have no choice but shut shop, It is not something i can do any more about now, workload can not increase and costs can be cut no further, this stark reality i suspect is being found all over at the moment, I expect is hitting some sooner than others ie in my case started business from scratch only 10 years ago. but even with back up of stuff put back for a rainy day (on long standing established farms)it can only last so long, the margin ,can not be much different, and money pots run dry, fairly quick. The only answer is we as farmers need a greater share and more for our produce, no if ,'s no buts., if we then make a make a good profit , then that is nothing less than we deserve for our efforts . If we don,t receive more, monetary reality will shape a big change very soon to uk Agri. Hope your reading Mr Tesco, and Sainsburys etc.

 

[borderterribles]

pressure has certainly taken a step up on the smaller livestock farmers around here with bps being cut , there is a lot of talk on sfi thread about farmers mainly arable finding ways to make it work, but those on smaller acreages and rent or part rented have to keep up productivity if they are to keep the farms earning potential through farm at a level to make it leave a income, Everything has to be done right,there is so little slack, I can not afford to take bits out here a there for this a that on the sfi for very little. Having now to do very detailed costings on every aspect on my business because there is not the room to spend to much on the wrong thing or make mistakes. I can not see how the heck anybody renting all or most of their ground is going (beef and sheep )to survive , and as many are renting i think there is a lot of change coming very soon ahead. This higher beef price we are seeing at the moment is needed to stay and grow from that price if i personally stand a chance of making it work here, if it drops and cost s don,t i will have no choice but shut shop, It is not something i can do any more about now, workload can not increase and costs can be cut no further, this stark reality i suspect is being found all over at the moment, I expect is hitting some sooner than others ie in my case started business from scratch only 10 years ago. but even with back up of stuff put back for a rainy day (on long standing established farms)it can only last so long, the margin ,can not be much different, and money pots run dry, fairly quick. The only answer is we as farmers need a greater share and more for our produce, no if ,'s no buts., if we then make a make a good profit , then that is nothing less than we deserve for our efforts . If we don,t receive more, monetary reality will shape a big change very soon to uk Agri. Hope your reading Mr Tesco, and Sainsburys etc.

I agree with every word you say there @devonbeef . The really disappointing thing is that it doesn't matter to the supermarkets whether the food that they sell is produced in the UK, or not. If every mouthful was imported, it would still be sold on their premises and they would still make their obscene profits.,,,

 

[neilo]

But are land prices rising?
Two blocks of grade 2 arable land in Herefordshire 30
miles apart seem to have missed their guide prices by
some distance.

Agents got greedy with their valuations imo. Lots of farms for sale are hanging around a lot longer than they were.

Time for a bit of a correction imo.

 

[BrianV]

Agents got greedy with their valuations imo. Lots of farms for sale are hanging around a lot longer than they were.

Time for a bit of a correction imo.

Far too many wanting a house & ponies that are able to sell expensive city property for land prices to really collapse unless it’s pretty remote.

 

[unlacedgecko]

Of course I agree that the farmgate price is too low. .

I'm more talking about the markup on the way to the shopping trolley.

Buy a loaf of bread, dry it down to 15% and work out the price per tonne. Last time I did that, it came to over £6000! Basic foods are cheaper, but more and more food is sold as ready made where the really big profit is made.

I think when I last did the maths the wheat cost of an 800g loaf of bread was 6p. Being generous and say it’s gone up to 8p for inflation etc. You could double it to 16p, and people wouldn’t notice an extra 8p on a loaf of bread. But the farmer would be getting £500+ per ton wheat.

 

[Tarw Coch]

I think when I last did the maths the wheat cost of an 800g loaf of bread was 6p. Being generous and say it’s gone up to 8p for inflation etc. You could double it to 16p, and people wouldn’t notice an extra 8p on a loaf of bread. But the farmer would be getting £500+ per ton wheat.

The cheapest bread in the supermarkets has gone up by more than 16p a loaf in the last couple of years, wheat and electricity prices spiked last year, diesel costs for transport and no doubt wages to some extent, wether that added that much to a cost of a loaf or not I don’t know but I don’t see bread prices sliding back as some of those costs have dropped

 

[Farmer Roy]

if you grow the public good / carbon etc that are actually in demand then along with the tax benefits it’s still makes sense …… you can even grow a bit of food as well if you like on a few fields

I think we have little choice but change our own perceptions on what being a “farmer” actually is now

from another thread but relevant I think

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Sorry - but people wouldn’t go hungry without “farmers”. Some might be dissatisfied with their food choices, many may eventually suffer from poor or unbalanced nutrition, but I doubt there would be mass “starvation” unless the worlds trade, transport & energy systems completely break down

“food” will come from corporations & processors

who needs farmers ?
apart from keeping the countryside looking like a particular idealised picture book from the past ?

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Although I call myself a “farmer”, I personally think my primary role is as a land manager, not a food producer

true, some products I grow ( chickpeas & mungbeans ) ARE direct human food with little if any processing involved ( just grading / cleaning / bagging ), but other crops I grow aren’t food products at all . . .

neither was all the wool that my grandfather & great uncle grew back inthe day
Their major product, but not very palatable

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I see my 3 areas of responsibility as this
1) my family
2) my land
3) my bank manager, cos I signed those papers & fully understood the terms & conditions


couldn’t really care less about “feeding” people

 

[Farmer Roy]

SO WHAT ARE THE JOBS WITH HIGHEST SUICIDE RATES?​

1. Medical Doctors
2. Dentists
3. Police Officers
4. Veterinarians
5. Financial Services
6. Real Estate Agents
7. Electricians
8. Lawyers
9. Farmers
10. Pharmacists

Interesting.. Find the Veterinarians a bit of a curve ball

I would have thought ex military would be up there somewhere ?

they certainly are here, along with police & teenage boys / young men in general . . .

 

[unlacedgecko]

I would have thought ex military would be up there somewhere ?

they certainly are here, along with police & teenage boys / young men in general . . .

I doubt they’re recorded as such. This seems to be a list of current occupations.