Blood Pressure

[mixedfmr]

Whatching "from the factory" regards hot baths possibly reducing blood pressure, got me thinking
From a previous illness, when my wife and family became contaminated with chemicals and elements, and she reacted the worse, we bought a sauna to sweat out the toxins ( Lindane was one, which i had last seen 10 yrs before i met her, and NEVER used)
The sauna is infra red and can be used to reduce blood pressure, With constant use, a permenat lowering of BP can be brought about, so i have read
Just finding the time, But i will

 

[tepapa]

Well an update after 2 months of carnivore diet.

Outcome, well I've no idea as I don't have any measurements to compare not even my weight as there's no batteries in the bathroom scales.

I should point out that I didn't do it for any particular reason but figured it can't do any harm and if it's a good body reset or detox, after Xmas, then what the hell. Probably the main motivation was to lose a bit of weight, not that I'm particularly fat but over the last couple of years I'd lost the definition of a six pack stomach and I'm not prepared to grow old just yet.

I can report you don't get hungry, unless you've not eaten all day and at about 4pm you start to get peckish. You need a change in mindset that if your not hungry you don't need to pick at food/snacks but I've mainly had a fried breakfast, bacon egg and sausage for breakfast and belly pork for tea.

I should mention Ive been 80% carnivore for over 12 months so the transition wasn't hard. I broke the chocolate craving after a week and just saw it as carbs afterwards. Digestion has been normal, no acid reflux or constipation, been pooing better than I have for years.

I have had a few days of normal food / a meal during that time. We went out for a meal after a month and I had veg with some meat and a pudding . And I've had two days where I've had chocolate and other goodies.

I'm probably going to continue for the foreseeable future although I will work normal food days into the diet every couple of weeks as I like life and I want to enjoy it. Since I'm not doing this for any particular reason there's no point being militant about it.

I have lost weight. My confidence has improved to the point where there's a chance I'll answer the phone to unknown numbers, if my blood pressure remains normal, as suggested it should and I continue to lose/maintain weight, I don't see any downsides. I do take some multivitamins to keep levels ok.

 

[willy]

Has anyone ever noted that their blood pressure dropped when they stopped taking the pills, so I stopped my Ramaprill for about 6 months bop stabilised at about 140/75 doctor made me go back on it went back up to 150/80, I told him he says it can’t do

 

[mixedfmr]

Has anyone ever noted that their blood pressure dropped when they stopped taking the pills, so I stopped my Ramaprill for about 6 months bop stabilised at about 140/75 doctor made me go back on it went back up to 150/80, I told him he says it can’t do

What made you stop the Ramprils in the first place

 

[willy]

Has anyone ever noted that their blood pressure dropped when they stopped taking the pills, so I stopped my Ramaprill for about 6 months bop stabilised at about 140/75 doctor made me go back on it went back up to 150/80, I told him he says it can’t

What made you stop the Ramprils in the first place

What made you stop the Ramprils in the first place

Because I ran out and never bothered to get my prescription, but I did keep tally of my bp

 

[mixedfmr]

Because I ran out and never bothered to get my prescription, but I did keep tally of my bp

My problem there is that it is something like 180 over 95 without, so i dont know wether to take your thoughts up Doctor Willy
Love to get off the pills though as they possibly cause kidney disease

Im on free prescriptions so i never miss now, BUT when i had to pay it was a bit hit and miss untill i got the yearly pay, about £100

 

[ollie989898]

My problem there is that it is something like 180 over 95 without, so i dont know wether to take your thoughts up Doctor Willy
Love to get off the pills though as they possibly cause kidney disease

Im on free prescriptions so i never miss now, BUT when i had to pay it was a bit hit and miss untill i got the yearly pay, about £100

ACE inhibitors don't directly harm your kidneys, they reduce your blood pressure and so lower the flow/pressure of blood to the kidneys. Having said that, high blood pressure to the kidneys is not good for them either.

 

[mixedfmr]

ACE inhibitors don't directly harm your kidneys, they reduce your blood pressure and so lower the flow/pressure of blood to the kidneys. Having said that, high blood pressure to the kidneys is not good for them either.

Easier tp get the answers from you than my/a doc, thanks

 

[puppet]

ACE inhibitors don't directly harm your kidneys, they reduce your blood pressure and so lower the flow/pressure of blood to the kidneys. Having said that, high blood pressure to the kidneys is not good for them either.

If the Ramipril is not reducing your BP then either the dose is wrong or you need something else.
Ramipril (and others ending in pril) protect your kidneys from other damage such as diabetes.
BUT, it might also severely damage your kidneys if you get dehydrated due to another illness such as vomiting. There is an instruction card sometimes with the prescription referring to 'sick day rules' when you omit the Ramipril

 

[Two Tone]

Because I ran out and never bothered to get my prescription, but I did keep tally of my bp

Fantastic, great to hear and well done!

It takes some courage to stop taking our meds, when you know you have had a problem.

I’m glad I stopped taking the Statins, but haven’t dared stop the Amlodipine and/or Ramipril as yet.
I know that if I did stop these, I could certainly stop the Omeprazole too as this is designed to stop acid reflux when taking lots of medications.

I’m losely following the Carnivore diet at the moment, but am not a strict as I was, because my HbA1c came down below the Pre-Diabetes level.
I’ll be having another test in June and I’ll see if that level has been maintained, which hopefully it is, because my diet is still very much lover in carbs that it was before.

Perhaps then I might follow your idea and start cutting some meds out and see what happens after the June test.


I can’t remember, but I think I started off on Ramipril and then added Amlodipine. Maybe I should stop the Amlodipine first and see what happens.

 

[willy]

Fantastic, great to hear and well done!

It takes some courage to stop taking our meds, when you know you have had a problem.

I’m glad I stopped taking the Statins, but haven’t dared stop the Amlodipine and/or Ramipril as yet.
I know that if I did stop these, I could certainly stop the Omeprazole too as this is designed to stop acid reflux when taking lots of medications.

I’m losely following the Carnivore diet at the moment, but am not a strict as I was, because my HbA1c came down below the Pre-Diabetes level.
I’ll be having another test in June and I’ll see if that level has been maintained, which hopefully it is, because my diet is still very much lover in carbs that it was before.

Perhaps then I might follow your idea and start cutting some meds out and see what happens after the June test.


I can’t remember, but I think I started off on Ramipril and then added Amlodipine. Maybe I should stop the Amlodipine first and see what happens.

The interesting thing is my agronomist saw the same as me, and I really now don’t know if I should listen to my doctor or go with m gut instinct.

 

[d williams]

Fantastic, great to hear and well done!

It takes some courage to stop taking our meds, when you know you have had a problem.

I’m glad I stopped taking the Statins, but haven’t dared stop the Amlodipine and/or Ramipril as yet.
I know that if I did stop these, I could certainly stop the Omeprazole too as this is designed to stop acid reflux when taking lots of medications.

I’m losely following the Carnivore diet at the moment, but am not a strict as I was, because my HbA1c came down below the Pre-Diabetes level.
I’ll be having another test in June and I’ll see if that level has been maintained, which hopefully it is, because my diet is still very much lover in carbs that it was before.

Perhaps then I might follow your idea and start cutting some meds out and see what happens after the June test.


I can’t remember, but I think I started off on Ramipril and then added Amlodipine. Maybe I should stop the Amlodipine first and see what happens.

I want to get off the statins if I can just had my bloods done all where they should be everything was apart from my bad cholesterol which I’ve got back in line asking nurse if I could stop some tablets she says probably not but would make a appointment with pharmacy nurse to look at it with me

 

[willy]

For blood pressure black cumin oil works wonders

 

[bumkin]

i stopped taking statins years ago i found the side effects were that severe it made life miserable I just watch what I eat

 

[ollie989898]

If the Ramipril is not reducing your BP then either the dose is wrong or you need something else.
Ramipril (and others ending in pril) protect your kidneys from other damage such as diabetes.
BUT, it might also severely damage your kidneys if you get dehydrated due to another illness such as vomiting. There is an instruction card sometimes with the prescription referring to 'sick day rules' when you omit the Ramipril

Ramipril is just one in a whole menu of stuff now. It's not even considered a first line treatment for the over 55s these days. As you say someone who isn't responding to their treatment should be investigated as they may well have secondary hypertension.

Either way, persistently high blood pressure is not ideal, it's linked to a whole plethora of very serious health outcomes. People electing not to take a prescribed medication would do well to consult with the person who prescribed it first.

 

[ollie989898]

i stopped taking statins years ago i found the side effects were that severe it made life miserable I just watch what I eat

The cholesterol statins act to prevent the formation of endogenous cholesterol by the liver. I keep trying to explain that the body has processes that are semi-independent of what we eat but this seems to be unpopular information and apparently the latest fad diet from youtube is more desirable.

 

[Two Tone]

I want to get off the statins if I can just had my bloods done all where they should be everything was apart from my bad cholesterol which I’ve got back in line asking nurse if I could stop some tablets she says probably not but would make a appointment with pharmacy nurse to look at it with me

Erm………………
IMO, the most within the NHS are obsessed with Cholesterol and Statins. Some of it are now less convinced.
I’m not going to recommend you stop taking them and you’ll have to make your own decisions about it all.

These are my views:
Cholesterol does not cause heart problems. Carbohydrates do.
If you stop eating Cholesterol, our bodies will make their own. It is a vital part of what we need and Satins stop it.
It is only damaged LDL Cholesterol that is in any way harmful to us. This only comes from Highly processed foods.

The proof is in those who have such gone onto the Carnivore diet and actually increase their Cholesterol intake, yet end up remarkably healthy and have lost weight.

There is plenty about this on YouTube, but one person in particular who likes to dig deep into the claims and pull them apart.
He is Dr Eric Westman.

It’s up to you to research it and make your own decisions.
I’d recommend not taking too much notice or listening to anybody that is stuck in the mud, within the NHS in that journey, before you decide what you want to do. IMO, brilliant as the NHS is, it isn’t always right.

 

[ollie989898]

The evidence base for elevated cholesterol and some very nasty health outcomes is ample. Roll your own dice: it's your heart/brain or whatever, after all.

I strongly recommend people educate themselves regarding true cholesterol metabolism in detail rather than rely on poorly interpreted or worded second hand information. If you can't differentiate between endogenous and exogenous cholesterol then you're already on a hiding to nothing. Unfortunately youtube likely doesn't go into sufficient detail. I could explain it but I can't be arshed frankly.

 

[Two Tone]

The evidence base for elevated cholesterol and some very nasty health outcomes is ample. Roll your own dice: it's your heart/brain or whatever, after all.

I strongly recommend people educate themselves regarding true cholesterol metabolism in detail rather than rely on poorly interpreted or worded second hand information. If you can't differentiate between endogenous and exogenous cholesterol then you're already on a hiding to nothing. Unfortunately youtube likely doesn't go into sufficient detail. I could explain it but I can't be arshed frankly.

With the greatest respect @ollie989898 ,

Until you will give us details of your qualifications in any medical subject, your roll if any working in the NHS and stop blinding us with scientific terms, such as ‘endogenous and exogenous’, your credibility within any of this seriously comes into question.


The best way to educate ourselves is to watch and listen to what is available online, then make our own decisions.

 

[Bossfarmer]

So, I don't smoke and never have, don't drink alcohol and never have, could maybe loose a stone if I'm honest but not much more, takeaway food maybe once a month if that, very little processed food of any type in my diet, loads of fruit and veg and a bowl of porridge every morning, only salt is whatever Mrs or daughter seasons with and they're pretty light with it, never have a salt cellar in my hand no matter what I'm eating.

At 63 I'm still pretty fit, knees ain't what they used to be so I only run when I have to, but I "plank" at least once a day, sometimes twice.

Yet my blood-pressure is still considered as being too high.

Very open to any/all suggestions as to what else I could be doing.

what readings are you at?